@ghost-of-a-duke saidIt's not a question of need. It's a matter of consequence.
Again, why the need for torment?
If you don't know, just say so.
@secondson saidI think it is a moral matter and a moral question.
It's not a question of need. It's a matter of consequence.
@fmf saidBeing in hell is torment. The moral justification is because it is God's judgment.
What is the moral justification for the punishment being torture?
God is justified in pouring out His wrath on a Christ rejecting world because of who and what He is.
@secondson saidWas Jesus tormented in hell? Because thou wilt not leave my soul in hell, neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption. (Acts 2:27 KJV)
Being in hell is torment. The moral justification is because it is God's judgment.
God is justified in pouring out His wrath on a Christ rejecting world because of who and what He is.
@secondson saidAll are saved by the death and resurrection of Christ.
That's not what the Bible says.
The bible says that.
All do not get eternal life.
The bible says that too.
Therefore saved DOES NOT MEAN eternal life.
Saved means that Jesus paid the price for mans sins.
Man in return has to obey and live righteously.
THEN and ONLY THEN is there eternal life.
@fmf saidAnd your "stance" is predicated on the experience of your existence in a material world.
And my stance on the source, nature and application of morality, and what happens when people disagree about moral questions, has not changed since we discussed it on those previous three or more occasions.
By denying the existence of the supernatural/spiritual components of life you've created a void in your understanding.
@fmf saidThat's a well articulated insult coming from your substantial intellectual prowess, and well developed wealth of social skills.
You singled him out as a "great thinker" and a "great writer". He is, clearly, one of the weakest and most inarticulate writers here and one of the most feebleminded Christians ever to play a part in this community. It's interesting that you do not have the social skills to have discerned this.