The objective universal truth

@kellyjay said
True things can be ignored or denied if people care more about what they think
and feel than anything else; allowing for shades of truth denies real truth and
moves it to acceptable opinions. Once truth can be altered for something less than,
we move to what sounds acceptable, not worrying about the truth; instead, what
we are looking for is only what sounds good. Rehabi ...[text shortened]... tant as losing it
there is no distinction; wrong answers can only occur if there are right answers.

This is all your opinion, I thought you didn’t want to talk about opinions?

@fmf said
If your personal opinions - about what the "correct answers" are - do not fare well in debate and discussion, maybe that means something; you'd be wise to reflect.

Again me not the substance of what was said.

@kellyjay said
Again me not the substance of what was said.

What would you actually be happy talking about kellyjay?

You seem very evasive, furtive and equivocal.

@kellyjay said
Again me not the substance of what was said.

I am addressing the substance of what you are saying at this particular juncture. The substance of what you are claiming is that your personal opinions are NOT personal opinions. You were talking about THAT. And THAT is what I am addressing. It is you who is in the foetal position here, not me.

@fmf said
I am addressing the substance of what you are saying at this particular juncture. The substance of what you are claiming is that your personal opinions are NOT personal opinions. You were talking about THAT. And THAT is what I am addressing. It is you who is in the foetal position here, not me.

I think that what Kellyjay if frustrated about is that he wants to talk about “truth” as he sees it, but not in a way which is expressed as being his opinion, but of him proclaiming “truth” in such a way which is unquestionable because in his “opinion” what he believes IS truth and not an opinion of what truth is.

He’s on a sort of intellectual mobius loop.

@kellyjay said
Again me not the substance of what was said.

The "substance" of what you are saying seems to be that "the truth" has to be compared to what you claim is "reality" and if they are the same ~ "the truth" and "reality", as you see them ~ then you have made a "correct assessment" and people's mere opinions, when they are not the same as yours, are wrong. This is the "substance" of what you are saying... and you repeat it over and over and over again... and in doing so belittle yourself.

@divegeester said
He’s on a sort of intellectual mobius loop.

Quite.

@divegeester said
This is all your opinion, I thought you didn’t want to talk about opinions?

You claim you are a Christian; is that just expressing an opinion void of reality? Is
that just an opinion, or a fact, at least the part where you make the claim nothing
else is a piece of reality! If you are a Christian, that is part of the meta-narrative
a truth that is part of the whole, that which encompasses all? Do you think our
reasoning is somehow disconnected from reality so that we are always on the
outside looking in whenever we apply it? If you can claim that merely speaking your
mind is not talking about reality, then you are very disconnected from reality if
discussing something voids the truth in the discussion.

@kellyjay said
You claim you are a Christian; is that just expressing an opinion void of reality? Is
that just an opinion, or a fact, at least the part where you make the claim nothing
else is a piece of reality! If you are a Christian, that is part of the meta-narrative
a truth that is part of the whole, that which encompasses all? Do you think our
reasoning is somehow disconnected fr ...[text shortened]... n you are very disconnected from reality if
discussing something voids the truth in the discussion.

I’m happy talking about our opinions kellyjay, it is you who keeps moaning about it.

@divegeester said
I’m happy talking about our opinions kellyjay, it is you who keeps manning about it.

If the opinions were discussed I could agree with you, I honestly don’t know if you are purposely lying or just deceived! Do you really not see what you do here by the way you treat others, not just me? I lean towards you get great enjoyment running people down and insulting them while proclaiming Jesus name. You remember Jesus right, the one who died for everyone you go after personally with gusto and zeal, engaging in all manner of strife and name calling!

@kellyjay said
If the opinions were discussed I could agree with you, I honestly don’t know if you are purposely lying or just deceived! Do you really not see what you do here by the way you treat others, not just me? I lean towards you get great enjoyment running people down and insulting them while proclaiming Jesus name. You remember Jesus right, the one who died for everyone you go after personally with gusto and zeal, engaging in all manner of strife and name calling!

Don’t get upset and making nasty personal insults, you’ll blow a gasket.

Do you want to share opinions on what is truth or not?

@divegeester said
Don’t get upset and making nasty personal insults, you’ll blow a gasket.

Do you want to share opinions on what is truth or not?

Isn’t this the type of thing you do? What is it that you proclaim when you say that is only my opinion regardless of what I say? Can you possibly just direct your comments towards the discussion without talking about the person whose comments your replying to? Right now we can talk about truth or each other I quite capable of doing either! Pick!

@kellyjay said
Isn’t this the type of thing you do? What is it that you proclaim when you say that is only my opinion regardless of what I say? Can you possibly just direct your comments towards the discussion without talking about the person whose comments your replying to? Right now we can talk about truth or each other I quite capable of doing either! Pick!

Rhetorical Foetal Position.

@fmf said
Rhetorical Foetal Position.

You really cannot help yourself, it is just you through and through.

@kellyjay said
You really cannot help yourself, it is just you through and through.

You are making a fool of yourself, KellyJay with all this whining about how you don't want to discuss opinions. It has become beyond parody.