The objective universal truth

@kellyjay said
If you think facts are only facts due to the membership of some group, you don't
grasp the meaning of facts.

You've got it the wrong way round. I think it's more a case of your subscription to a certain religious doctrine does not render its tenets objective.

@fmf said
You've got it the wrong way round. I think it's more a case of your subscription to a certain religious doctrine does not render its tenets objective.

You think simply because religion is involved therefore by default or definition it must be wrong? Odd, since without a belief that transcends the natural universe you can not account for all that is both material and immaterial in the universe. Denying it is just as dogmatic as accepting religious beliefs, if you are rejecting out of hand, you have closed off possibilities, simply by definition not reason!

@kellyjay said
You think simply because religion is involved therefore by default or definition it must be wrong?

No. I did not say that. You're being disingenuous again. I just take your personal opinion at face value. It's you who seems to think because it is your religious belief, it is somehow objective.

@kellyjay said
Odd, since without a belief that transcends the natural universe you can not account for all that is both material and immaterial in the universe.

Neither of us can "account for all that is both material and immaterial in the universe" in an objective way. I recognize this but I am not interested in filling this gap with an adopted theological answer that I do not find convincing. I also recognize that you have your personal opinion which you believe "accounts for" it.

@kellyjay said
Denying it is just as dogmatic as accepting religious beliefs, if you are rejecting out of hand, you have closed off possibilities, simply by definition not reason!

Being unconvinced by your religious beliefs and being open-minded is not "just as dogmatic as accepting religious beliefs".

I have not rejected any religion "out of hand" [I spent a quarter of a century as a committed Christian; how can that be described as dismissing it out of hand, you silly billy?]

And I have not "closed off possibilities". Perhaps you have?

You are being peculiarly dishonest in asserting these things because doing so is rooted in the assumption that you have never read any of my posts.

@fmf said
Neither of us can "account for all that is both material and immaterial in the universe" in an objective way. I recognize this but I am not interested in filling this gap with an adopted theological answer that I do not find convincing. I also recognize that you have your personal opinion which you believe "accounts for" it.

You have no answers and cannot even declare a universal truth about how
everything got here to decern the truth within the universe rightly; all you have
is your speculating, always learning, never coming into knowledge. You cannot
address the questions surrounding so many things, from why is there existence
and not simply void? Is there a reason for being, is there good and evil, or are
they just human constructs as everything else is in how you look at them all?

You are left looking at everything from the outside looking in. God created
everything, God holds it all together by the power of His Word; God is the PRIME
reality; without Him, we have no reasons, only questions. When we lose the
Truth (Christ), there is nothing to turn to but speculation and doubt for all
answers, but they offer nothing here or give you anything for what is to come.

-Removed-

Questions are answered, it’s that they are not acceptable to you.

@kellyjay said
You have no answers and cannot even declare a universal truth about how
everything got here to decern the truth within the universe rightly.

Well, neither do you have any objective "answers" other than the ones that satisfy and deactivate your own curiosity. You can declare "universal truths about how everything got here" and you can declare them "rightly discerned" until the cows come home KellyJay, but it is - nevertheless - all thoroughly marinated in your subjectivity and speculation.

@kellyjay said
You cannot
address the questions surrounding so many things, from why is there existence
and not simply void? Is there a reason for being, is there good and evil, or are
they just human constructs as everything else is in how you look at them all?e.

I have addressed all these things. You are just pretending not to have read my posts.

@kellyjay said
You are left looking at everything from the outside looking in. God created
everything, God holds it all together by the power of His Word; God is the PRIME
reality; without Him, we have no reasons, only questions. When we lose the
Truth (Christ), there is nothing to turn to but speculation and doubt for all
answers, but they offer nothing here or give you anything for what is to come.

Thank you for demonstrating the subjective nature of almost everything that you believe and claim - including "what is to come" for me for not believing the same stuff as you.