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While we're waiting, why did Lee single out Catholics, Protestants and Jews as being in an organization of Satan and why doesn't this lead you to defend your Christian brothers and sisters from such an awful attack?
Do you recall how Watchman Nee and Witness Lee interpreted the seven churches in Revelation 2 and 3 ?
What did they say "the church in Thyatira signified in church history ?
I expect you to do some re-call.
What did they say "the church is Sardis" signified in church history ?
Look into the footnotes of the online Recovery Version NT.
You know how to find things. Go surf and refresh your memory.
In Matthew 23 how did Jesus speak concerning the leaders of the faith founded by Moses ?
There are 39 verses in Matthew 23. The scribes, lawyers, chief priests, ... how did Jesus describe the problems of such religious leaders there ? Did He commend them or scold them ?
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You may search for VERSES and the COMMENTS of Witness Lee in the study notes.
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Correction: The study notes seem not to be functioning here. I'll find an online version where I think you can look them up.
23 Jun 19
@sonship saidWhy are you trying the conflate belief in Exodus with anything?
In the mean time, you can explain WHY I should be more concerned for Lee's comment assuming the truth of God and the truth of the Exodus, OVER Your comments which assumes the falsehood of both?
If Lee's teaching about pretty much all Christianity outside his cult supposedly working for or being organized by Satan makes you uncomfortable, just say so rather this weird display of vanity-sidestepping and deflections.
23 Jun 19
@sonship saidThe 'note', ultimately, is for Catholics and Protestants here - and other debaters/discussers - to bear in mind. The degree to which you are pouting about all this is just the intellectual context.
@FMFDodge noted. It's a straight forward question.
As me what I care about what you note.
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Ghost,
GIven Jesus Christ's words about the religious establishment whose leaders were persecuting the Son of God in Matthew 23, which would you say Christ was implying more likely ?
1.) The Jewish religion as God delivered it was being faithfully led by the religious leaders?
2.) The Jewish religion as it had been corrupted by the leaders was more under the control of the Devil ?
Which do you think Jesus Christ was closer to implying in the 23rd chapter of the book of Matthew ?
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Ghost,
GIven Jesus Christ's words about the religious establishment whose leaders were persecuting the Son of God in Matthew 23, which would you say Christ was implying more likely ?
1.) The Jewish religion as God delivered it was being faithfully led by the religious leaders?
2.) The Jewish religion as it had been corrupted by the leaders was more under the control of the Devil ?
Which do you think Jesus Christ was closer to implying in the 23rd chapter of the book of Matthew ?
Ghost please answer my question before FMF "notes" that you seem to be slow or evasive in replying.
He's quite evenhandedly objective you know. Or maybe not.
23 Jun 19
@sonship saidDodge noted. And you're here, online now, posting.
[quote] Ghost,
GIven Jesus Christ's words about the religious establishment whose leaders were persecuting the Son of God in Matthew 23, which would you say Christ was implying more likely ?
1.) The Jewish religion as God delivered it was being faithfully led by the religious leaders?
2.) The Jewish religion as it had been corrupted by the leaders was more under ...[text shortened]... seem to be slow or evasive in replying.
He's quite evenhandedly objective you know. Or maybe not.
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Anybody
GIven Jesus Christ's words about the religious establishment whose leaders were persecuting the Son of God in Matthew 23, which would you say Christ was implying more likely ?
1.) The Jewish religion as God delivered it was being faithfully led by the religious leaders?
2.) The Jewish religion as it had been corrupted by the leaders was more under the control of the Devil ?
Which do you think Jesus Christ was closer to implying in the 23rd chapter of the book of Matthew ?
Second question for anyone:
As a theist, which should be more concerned to avoid ?
1.) A scolding that something originating from God (Judaism) has become deformed and corrupted and has lost touch with its historical basis.
2.) A proclamation that there is no God PERIOD, to originate anything and the historical basis of a Judaism is entirely fictional non-history.
23 Jun 19
@sonship saidAren't adherents of Judaism theists too?
As a theist, which should be more concerned to avoid ?
A scolding that something originating from God (Judaism) has become deformed and corrupted and has lost touch with its historical basis.
Where have Jews been "scolded" by their God?
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The degree to which you are pouting about all this is just the intellectual context.
If you weren't so blind I might not need to pout.
Jesus Christ called His leading disciple Peter once - Satan.
But He [Jesus] turned and said to Peter, Get behind Me, Satan! You are a stumbling block to Me; for you are not setting your mind on the things of God, but on the things of men." (Matt. 16:23)
If Jesus scolded His leading disciple, exposing that at the moment he was under the influence of Satan, should we be shocked that subsequent disciples He might well scold as similarly too much under Satan's influence?
He called His leading apostle - "Satan".
Given Catholicism and Protestantism and other disciples have often set their minds not on the things of God but t he things of men, would they not merit some rebuke from a faithful servant of God?
Calling Peter, Satan, wasn't the end of all of Peter.
Why should I assume that scolding Catholicism as a wayward apostasy or Protestantism as being in apostasy, is the END ALL of disciples involves under those two systems?
23 Jun 19
@sonship saidPeter. Catholics. Protestants. Is Witness Lee "Satan" too? Are Ghost of a Duke and I here, chatting to you on this message board, under the influence of "Satan"? Are you under the influence of "Satan"?
@FMF
The degree to which you are pouting about all this is just the intellectual context.
If you weren't so blind I might not need to pout.
Jesus Christ called His leading disciple Peter once - Satan.
[quote] But He [Jesus] turned and said to Peter, Get behind Me, Satan! You are a stumbling block to Me; for you are not setting your ...[text shortened]... or Protestantism as being in apostasy, is the END ALL of disciples involves under those two systems?
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Borrowing the words of Mose Alison (a US jazz singer) - "Your mind is on vacation and your mouth is working overtime."