The Wisdom of Witness Lee

@sonship said
@FMF
A question ?

@FMF

I don't think you are using the word "bigot" properly. I am not intolerant toward those holding different opinions; I welcome disagreement and debate. I don't hate Witness Lee and I don't hate the Witness Lee beliefs that you espouse. I don't see how I am a "bigot". Are you intolerant of my beliefs?

You think Catholics and Protestants are members of "organizations of Satan".

Seems harsh and partisan to me.

@FMF

The Christians broke away from Judaism.

Matthew 23 is for Christians.

FMF says the Christians "broke away" from Judaism.

Well, the prophet Jeremiah predicted that God would make a new covenant with the house of Israel and the house of Judah.
So the Jews who recognized the new covenant broke away from Judaism?

They did not break away from the promise of the God that Judaism taught. They responded believingly to Yahweh instituting a new covenant in Jesus Christ.

You see this man can only see things sociologically and culturally. He can discern nothing spiritually.

Did the believers in the Messiah Jesus break away? Yes and yet no. They continued with God when the traditional religious had become under the control of God's enemy. That is why they sought, according to the heart of the enemy of God, to have the Son of God executed.

@sonship said
@FMF

I don't think you are using the word "bigot" properly. I am not intolerant toward those holding different opinions; I welcome disagreement and debate. I don't hate Witness Lee and I don't hate the Witness Lee beliefs that you espouse. I don't see how I am a "bigot". Are you intolerant of my beliefs?

I am not surprised that you don't think the term applies to you.

@sonship said
What you want is for me to just run like a gerbil on a spinning wheel and wear out.
This post will be followed by more questions from you to just keep me scrambling in writing which you totally ignore.

@FMF

"Bigot" doesn't apply to you ?
It applies to you probably a lot more than the term "Christian" ever applied to you.

@FMF

Do you believe that you are making any of the Protestants here in this community think that they are members of an "organization of Satan"?

@sonship said
@FMF

"Bigot" doesn't apply to you ?
It applies to you probably a lot more than the term "Christian" ever applied to you.

@sonship said
@FMF

Do you believe that you are making any of the Protestants here in this community think that they are members of an "organization of Satan"?

I think consistent with the Bible everyone here has to one degree or another been passively under the manipulating hand of God's enemy as "the whole world lies in the evil one".

For Lee to write t ...[text shortened]... e because you are not My people."

I call that either ignorance or knowledge with biased bigotry.

Witness Lee's comments on the destruction of material and religious Babylon in Revelation 17, 18.

II. THE TWO ASPECTS OF BABYLON THE GREAT
In 18:3 the aspects of religious and material Babylon are both mentioned. This verse says, “For all the nations have drunk of the wine of the fury of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth have become rich by the power of her luxury.” “The nations have drunk of the wine...and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her...” refers to the religious aspect, whereas “the merchants of the earth have become rich by the power of her luxury” refers to the material aspect. It is the Roman religion, not the Roman Empire, that has made all nations drunk with her religious, devilish wine. Likewise, it is the city of Rome, not the Roman Church, that has enriched the merchants of the earth by the power of her luxury. Therefore, in one verse the religious aspect and the material aspect are covered.

III. THE CALL FOR SEPARATION
Verse 4 says, “And I heard another voice out of heaven, saying, Come out of her, My people, that you may not participate in her sins, and that you may not receive of her plagues.” Since Babylon the Great is twofold, to come out of her means to come out of both religious Babylon and material Babylon. This is proved by the pronoun “her” in this verse. The antecedent of this pronoun is the Babylon of two aspects revealed in verses 2 and 3.

IV. BABYLON’S PRIDE AND DESTRUCTION
Verses 6 through 8 speak of Babylon’s pride and destruction. She prides herself on being a queen, not a widow. As such a one, she thinks she will never see sorrow. But when the time of judgment comes, the Lord will destroy her and give her much torment and sorrow. In one day her plagues will come, and she will be utterly burned with fire.

@sonship said
It applies to you probably a lot more than the term "Christian" ever applied to you.

@FMF

But... do you believe that you are making any of the Protestants here in this community think that they are members of an "organization of Satan"?

III. THE CALL FOR SEPARATION

Verse 4 says, “And I heard another voice out of heaven, saying, Come out of her, My people, that you may not participate in her sins, and that you may not receive of her plagues.” Since Babylon the Great is twofold, to come out of her means to come out of both religious Babylon and material Babylon. This is proved by the pronoun “her” in this verse. The antecedent of this pronoun is the Babylon of two aspects revealed in verses 2 and 3.

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Does the exposition portray a hopeless state of being forever under Satan's munipulating influence? Or does the comment positively portray the hope of being cured, separated from, rescued from such influences?

Further ministry from Witness Lee on Revelation 18 speaks of heaven's rejoicing that the apostate counterfeit is finally judged by God after HIS PEOPLE, have come out in separation unto Him.

VII. REJOICING IN HEAVEN
OVER THE JUDGMENT UPON BABYLON
Verse 20 says, “Rejoice over her, O heaven and saints and apostles and prophets, because God has judged your judgment upon her.” While many will weep over the destruction of Babylon, others will rejoice over it. Those on earth will weep, but those in heaven will rejoice. We shall certainly be among the rejoicing ones in heaven. Furthermore, I believe that we shall witness the destruction of Babylon. As her smoke goes up, we shall rejoice.

VIII. DECLARATION OF BABYLON’S
ABSOLUTE DESTRUCTION
In verses 21 through 24 we find the declaration of Babylon’s absolute destruction. Verse 21 says, “And a strong angel took up a stone like a great millstone and threw it into the sea, saying, Thus will Babylon the great city be thrown down with violence and shall be found no more at all.” Perhaps the destruction of Babylon will be accomplished by a great earthquake that will cause the entire city to sink into the sea. Because this is the destiny of Babylon, you must advise your friends not to live there.

IX. PRAISE IN HEAVEN OVER THE JUDGMENT
UPON THE GREAT PROSTITUTE
In 19:1-4 we have the praise in heaven over the judgment upon the great prostitute. In verses 1 through 3 we have a loud voice of a great multitude in heaven, praising God and saying, “Hallelujah!” Although chapter eighteen concerns the judgment upon material Babylon, the praise in these verses in chapter nineteen is not mainly related to material Babylon, but to religious Babylon. The reason for this is that throughout the centuries both aspects have been mingled together. Until A.D. 476 Rome was the center of politics. In the centuries following that time it has been the center of religion. The Roman Catholic Church came into power in the sixth century, and by the end of the sixth century the papal system was completely established. Of the past nineteen centuries, in the first five we see the predominance of the Roman Empire and in the last fourteen, of the Roman Catholic Church. When the time comes for the fall of Babylon, the religious aspect will be destroyed first and the material aspect later. The praise in heaven is not mainly related to the destruction of material Babylon, but to the destruction of religious Babylon, because in God’s eyes the religious aspect is more hateful than the material aspect. Today we care little for material Rome, but we are very troubled by religious Rome. How happy we shall be to see the fall of religious Babylon!