28 Nov 15
Originally posted by SuzianneNo they aren't. They are all different and not equal.
All men are created equal.
If you want to make the political assertion "All men ought to be equal in the eyes of the law etc." then I can completely agree with you, although I don't see how an opinion like that can be characterized as a "self-evident" truth.
28 Nov 15
Originally posted by FMFWhat do you think fuels the frustration and anger of any class of men that finds themselves "under the thumb" of another? The knowledge that yes, all men ARE created equal, and all have rights, which are being trampled by others who feel that only they, by virtue of somehow being "better", are entitled to being called a human being with rights.
I agree with you that all human beings [b]should have certain rights. But that does not make a slogan like "All men are created equal" true in a "self-evident" way. In the real world, they are all different and unequal at birth and throughout their lives, and the aspiration and idealism of "All men are created equal" simply has no impact on reality for most human beings.[/b]
And you only perpetuate this thinking by calling some men "unequal" just because they have less than others.
28 Nov 15
Originally posted by twhiteheadYou're quoting out of context, and misrepresenting what I said.
You said you listen to The Truth when you hear it. But you later you said you can only hear when you listen. Definitely a catch 22.
I do "hear" His voice, and you would hear it too if you would listen.
The words of Jesus are the words of life. Just listen to Him.
28 Nov 15
Originally posted by SuzianneIt is not made clear by any religion.
How much money a man has is no argument against all men being equal. A man is a man. They all put their pants on one leg at a time. They all only last maybe a month without food and at most a few days without water.
And they ALL have certain rights, simply by being a human being. This should be clear.
But I do agree with the sentiment.
28 Nov 15
Originally posted by FMFNo. We are created equal. It's what happens after that that makes us unequal.
No they aren't. They are all different and not equal.
If you want to make the political assertion "All men ought to be equal in the eyes of the law etc." then I can completely agree with you, although I don't see how an opinion like that can be characterized as a "self-evident" truth.
28 Nov 15
Originally posted by SuzianneIf you seek to see the political demand "All men ought to be equal in the eyes of the law etc. right from the moment they are born", then I am with you all the way. But it's a slogan, and aspiration, a belief. I don't see how it can simply be described as "self-evident". It wasn't even "self-evident" in the minds of the first people who said that it was "self-evident".
What do you think fuels the frustration and anger of any class of men that finds themselves "under the thumb" of another? The knowledge that yes, all men ARE created equal, and all have rights, which are being trampled by others who feel that only they, by virtue of somehow being "better", are entitled to being called a human being with rights.
And you ...[text shortened]... perpetuate this thinking by calling some men "unequal" just because they have less than others.
28 Nov 15
Originally posted by FMFOh, please. This is your anti-American sentiment talking.
If you seek to see the political demand "All men ought to be equal in the eyes of the law etc. right from the moment they are born", then I am with you all the way. But it's a slogan, and aspiration, a belief. I don't see how it can simply be described as "self-evident". It wasn't even "self-evident" in the minds of the first people who said that it was "self-evident".