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22 Jun 12
Originally posted by RJHindsSo why are you so predictable that i can look up every single argument and strategy you
As a retired military man, I understand the importance of knowing the tactics of the enemy. This is something you are apparently lacking.
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use on secular websites that list all the stupid arguments theists make with their refuting
counter arguments?
If you really are a retired military man you aught to realise that blindly following the same
strategy all the time makes you predictable and dead.
22 Jun 12
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Originally posted by RJHindsThis is jaywill. I'm at a relative's house using his PC
If the age of the Earth is truly billions of years old instead of thousands as the Holy Bible has it, then how can we trust our understanding of the rest of the Holy Bible? If that is so, then how can we be sure there is a Heaven and a Hell? Perhaps there is no God and the man we call the Christ is not really the Son of God and died on the cross for nothin ...[text shortened]... Bible must be to have reasoned faith instead of blind faith as the atheists accuse us of having?
If the age of the Earth is truly billions of years old instead of thousands as the Holy Bible has it, then how can we trust our understanding of the rest of the Holy Bible?
That is only a problem is you insist the Bible gave you an age of the earth.
This is like saying that if three wise men didn't visit the baby Jesus how can we trust it on other details ? It is only a problem if you insist a verse specifies the number of wise men who came to visit the baby Jesus.
If that is so, then how can we be sure there is a Heaven and a Hell?
Same answer as above. For this reason it is a good idea to go back to Scripture and first find out what was actually said. That may not be what tradition says.
By the way, strictly speaking (not in the vanacular but strictly) everyone who dies goes to Hell Christian or not, saved or not. For Hell is really another way of saying Hades.
In the argots of vanacular traditional speak, it is appalling to say that the Christian dies and goes to Hell. But according to the strict ontext of the Scripture, everyone who has passed away has gone to Hades (Hell).
As for Heaven - the eternal destiny of Christians is seen in a city which comes down OUT OF Heaven with Christ. Strictly speaking then, we should want to be where Christ is.
"And I saw a new heaven and a new earth ... And I saw the holy city, New Jerusalem, coming down OUT OF HEAVEN from God, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband." (Rev.21:2)
"He who overcomes, him I will make a pillar in the temple of My God, and he shall by no means go out anymore, and I will write upon him the name of My God and the name of the city of My God, the New Jerusalem, which descends out of heaven from My God ..." (Rev. 3:12)
So we Christians should want to be "built" into the city which descends OUT OF HEAVEN. As we descend we may turn upwards and wave goodbye to Heaven for our eternal destiny is the city which came OUT from there. And that is where Christ has His throne. And God is in Christ.
Am I right ?
Perhaps there is no God and the man we call the Christ is not really the Son of God and died on the cross for nothing, just like the atheists say. Perhaps he did not rise from the dead and there is no resurrection. Maybe the theory of evolution is true. All sorts of doubts come up and Satan has won the fight. Now, do you see how important our understanding of the Holy Bible must be to have reasoned faith instead of blind faith as the atheists accuse us of having?
These are the concerns you have because you believe something like Usshur's chronology which pinpointed a date and time of the creation of the world. I think his chronology cannot be taken that seriously.
You see, I agree that the geneologies establish a practical link from the first man Adam. But we know that names were sometimes not mentioned in geneolgies. Sometimes I think the Hebrews mentioned not all of the people in a geneology. So we may have to account for omissions.
Now this is the inspired word of God. In the geneology of Matthew certain names were dropped OUT for this or that reason. The three sections of the geneology of Matthew comes out to a spiritually significant 14 generations three times. - 42 generations. But names were excluded and disqualfied AND David is counted TWICE, making him the both the last in one list of 14 generations and the first in another list of 14 generations.
The accounting is according to God and the Holy Spirit. The accounting in Matthew's geneology is according to God's priorities.
It could be the same with the geneology for Adam. So we may say that Adam's creation somewhere, give or take, in thousands of years ago.
Now what about the age of the earth or the universe a a whole ?
Well, we're talking about that on the thread about the Gap Theory.
Bottom line - your concern that if we reject a 6,000 year old universe then the Incarnation, Resurrection, Redemption, existence of God might be doubted as well, I think is a slippery slope error and we were not told exactly how many years the universe has been around.
YEC will say that there could be no "day" before the first Day in Genesis 1:1. Maybe that is wrong though. Under a previous economy not of man's world, not of that which God appointed to Adam, perhaps there were days.
I pointed out to you the "day" that Lucifer was created in Ezekiel 28. We both agree, at least, that that was time before the creation of man.
22 Jun 12
Originally posted by RJHindsYou appear to have confused yourself here - you're actually making an argument in support of blind faith.
If the age of the Earth is truly billions of years old instead of thousands as the Holy Bible has it, then how can we trust our understanding of the rest of the Holy Bible? If that is so, then how can we be sure there is a Heaven and a Hell? Perhaps there is no God and the man we call the Christ is not really the Son of God and died on the cross for nothin ...[text shortened]... Bible must be to have reasoned faith instead of blind faith as the atheists accuse us of having?
22 Jun 12
Originally posted by googlefudgeI ain't dead yet! HalleluYah !!! Praise the Lord!
So why are you so predictable that i can look up every single argument and strategy you
use on secular websites that list all the stupid arguments theists make with their refuting
counter arguments?
If you really are a retired military man you aught to realise that blindly following the same
strategy all the time makes you predictable and dead.
22 Jun 12
Originally posted by GSWILLNo. You are not right. You are wrong.
This is jaywill. I'm at a relative's house using his PC
If the age of the Earth is truly billions of years old instead of thousands as the Holy Bible has it, then how can we trust our understanding of the rest of the Holy Bible?
That is only a problem is you insist the Bible gave you an age of the earth.
This is like saying that ...[text shortened]... l 28. We both agree, at least, that that was time before the creation of man.
22 Jun 12
Originally posted by VoidSpiritSee what a mind corrupted by Satan the devil will do to your thinking. It turns the truth on its head. You need the saving grace of Christ Jesus.
lucky for us, you are neither retired military nor have any notion of strategy or tactics.
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Originally posted by RJHindsIf you believe that satan can corrupt minds.
You can not understand spiritual things because your mind has been corrupted by Satan the devil. You are wrong.
Then how can you tell it's not you with the corrupted mind?
I mean presumably satan corrupts peoples minds (or can do) without them being aware
that he has done it.
So how can you possibly know that your mind is not the corrupted one?
EDIT: Further as satan could presumably delude anyone about anything how can you know
anything is real or true, how can you be certain of anything at all?