Spirituality
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Professional Scientist and Torah Student Jewish man:
( Not that I am decided in agreement to everything here, it is very interesting. )
Dr. Gerald Schroeder - two doctorate degrees - 7 years on Physics Department at MIT. Native Hebrew reader.
His take on the AGE OF THE UNIVERSE.
20 Jun 12
Originally posted by sonhouseYeah. I'm still nearly just as confused.
Those kind of mysterious events happen to you alone, they don't connect to the rest of the world so would be meaningful to you alone. I would assume if you were in a room with other people, those others would not have seen what you saw.
It is an individual experience like Paul seeing the burning bush, you could explain it till you are blue in the face an ...[text shortened]... ime, that would be a different story.
I think it's brave of you to recount your experience.
Like I said, I'm pretty sure all this "outer" stuff is not what it's all about,ie not their "message".
And as for 'inner' stuff. The unseen stuff - well that is a brave new largely unchartered world.
21 Jun 12
Originally posted by jaywillAre you going to believe someone that says Christians are wrong and atheists are right?
Professional Scientist and Torah Student Jewish man:
( Not that I am decided in agreement to everything here, it is very interesting. )
[b] Dr. Gerald Schroeder - two doctorate degrees - 7 years on Physics Department at MIT. Native Hebrew reader.
His take on the AGE OF THE UNIVERSE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EhrdtTG0nTw[/b]
21 Jun 12
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Originally posted by RJHinds
Are you going to believe someone that says Christians are wrong and atheists are right?
Are you going to believe someone that says Christians are wrong and atheists are right?
I said above the link that I was not necessarily decidedly agreeing with everything in the vidoe. But it was interesting. And it is.
By the way, sometimes Christians can be wrong about something.
Revelation 12:10 says "They overcame him because of the blood of the Lamb ..." not because they were never wrong about anything.
Right ?
21 Jun 12
Originally posted by jaywillRight! But isn't this guy a Jew, who does not believe in the blood of the lamb that we Christians know?Are you going to believe someone that says Christians are wrong and atheists are right?
I said above the link that I was not necessarily decidedly agreeing with everything in the vidoe. But it was interesting. And it is.
By the way, sometimes Christians can be wrong about something.
Revelation 12:10 says [b]"They overcame him b ...[text shortened]... the blood of the Lamb ..." not because they were never wrong about anything.
Right ?[/b]
21 Jun 12
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Originally posted by RJHinds
Right! But isn't this guy a Jew, who does not believe in the blood of the lamb that we Christians know?
Right! But isn't this guy a Jew, who does not believe in the blood of the lamb that we Christians know?
It is probably true that as a practicer of Judaism he does not believe in Christ as the Redeemer.
He is proposing something like a day age theory. Now I know you don't accept any Day Age theory. And I have always thought that the seven days explained by Genesis are to be understood as typical 24 hour days.
However, what makes me listen to this person is that he is talking about rabinnical understandings of Genesis going back 1,500 years.
They certainly were not concerned with harmonizition Darwinism or Geology or Astronomy with the Torah. This was their own language. And being unbelieving in the Son of God does not mean they understood nothing else.
And degraded Christianity persecuting the Jewish people didn't help them to believe in the Gospel. (If that was the case at that time).
I am going to re-listen to the lecture. The last part about how he explains time and the explansion of the universe is not easy for me. His book "The Science of God" has some fascinating arguments in it.
Your attitude may be different from mine in listening to others. I think I can select some good ideas here and there from other minds if they seem true, or possibly true. It doesn't mean I accept everything said by them.
21 Jun 12
Originally posted by jaywillDon't forget Satan mixes truth with lies in his deceptions.Right! But isn't this guy a Jew, who does not believe in the blood of the lamb that we Christians know?
It is probably true that as a practicer of [b]Judaism he does not believe in Christ as the Redeemer.
He is proposing something like a day age theory. Now I know you don't accept any Day Age theory. And I have always thought ...[text shortened]... ds if they seem true, or possibly true. It doesn't mean I accept everything said by them.[/b]
21 Jun 12
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Originally posted by jaywillI've got to eat and get ready to go to Coumbia to play OTB chess tonight and that is about 1 and 1/2 hours away. So I need to give your question some thought and I will not get back until late tonight. So maybe, I will have an answer sometime tomorrow.
I won't forget.
In your opinion, if the earth proves older than some Christians think, how is the Christian Gospel diminished ?
May the grace of our great God and Savior Christ Jesus be with you.
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22 Jun 12
Originally posted by karoly aczelI am a Christian.
Good post.
Why YEC's cant accept that the Earth is about 4.5 million years old is somewhat incomprehensible, in this so-called age of reason.
Yes, the scientific community has a pack mentality but it is not nearly as "hard" as the pack mentality amongst christians (YEC's).
Science does not have an agenda except for finding the truth in the world ...[text shortened]... to new ideas and conceive of plans for the Earth that extend beyond presidential terms 😛
Do not, however, lump me in with the YEC's.
I do not limit my God by insisting that the only way He can get things done is by waving a magic wand and "poof"ing things into existence.
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22 Jun 12
Originally posted by RJHindsMy, my, my such foul language from a professed follower of Jesus Christ. Me thinks you are a phony and a fraud a follower of Satan you must truly be.
Yes, I read that. I have already been saying those long ages that man assigns to things are only guesses and bad ones at that. That was not the point of my posting that link. If you had any common sense and would get your head out of your arse, you would have known that, numbnuts!
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22 Jun 12
Originally posted by SuzianneNoted.
I am a Christian.
Do not, however, lump me in with the YEC's.
I do not limit my God by insisting that the only way He can get things done is by waving a magic wand and "poof"ing things into existence.
I think I have always been vigilant in putting "YEC" or "some" in front of "christians" when I have a little dig.
It's just like I dont like being lumped in with other ufo nuts.
22 Jun 12
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Originally posted by jaywillIf the age of the Earth is truly billions of years old instead of thousands as the Holy Bible has it, then how can we trust our understanding of the rest of the Holy Bible? If that is so, then how can we be sure there is a Heaven and a Hell? Perhaps there is no God and the man we call the Christ is not really the Son of God and died on the cross for nothing, just like the atheists say. Perhaps he did not rise from the dead and there is no resurrection. Maybe the theory of evolution is true. All sorts of doubts come up and Satan has won the fight. Now, do you see how important our understanding of the Holy Bible must be to have reasoned faith instead of blind faith as the atheists accuse us of having?
I won't forget.
In your opinion, if the earth proves older than some Christians think, how is the Christian Gospel diminished ?
22 Jun 12
Originally posted by SuzianneIs this a dig at me because I am a YEC? God does not poof things into existence; He speaks them into existence, dummy.
I am a Christian.
Do not, however, lump me in with the YEC's.
I do not limit my God by insisting that the only way He can get things done is by waving a magic wand and "poof"ing things into existence.
HalleluYah !!! Praise the Lord!