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18 Dec 11
Originally posted by robbie carrobieI should have known better.
very first line begins with an assumption, i quote,
Salvation means being saved from the power of sin and from hell, the eternal
penalty of that sin.
it them goes on to state , in unequivocal terms, that the author has not the slightest
idea what they are talking about,
Other common terms for salvation are being saved, going to heaven, ...[text shortened]... , author should be taken outside, tied to a whipping post and
thoroughly given a good whuppin!
18 Dec 11
Originally posted by robbie carrobie...and sent to hell?
this not only betrays a lack of depth and understanding as to these specific terms,
to make them synonymous with one another betrays a lack of depth and
understanding, author should be taken outside, tied to a whipping post and
thoroughly given a good whuppin!
19 Dec 11
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Originally posted by 667joeThe question could be phrased a little differently and in two parts.
Can some one explain to me how Jesus could be moral for sending a person to hell just because said person did not believe in him (Jesus)?
First, does God or Jesus (the same?) have the power to prevent people (or souls) from going to hell. Second, if so, is God or Jesus moral for letting a good person go to hell simply because that good person did not accept Jesus as savior.
20 Dec 11
Originally posted by 667joeHe also said, "And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell." Matthew 10:28
Jesus said, " If a man not abide in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned." John 15:6.
20 Dec 11
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Originally posted by moon1969Don't you understand that if you are given a choice to to good or evil
The question could be phrased a little differently and in two parts.
First, does God or Jesus (the same?) have the power to prevent people (or souls) from going to hell. Second, if so, is God or Jesus moral for letting a good person go to hell simply because that good person did not accept Jesus as savior.
and you know the difference and you know the consequence of your
action, then you also choose to go to Heaven or Hell? If you choose
evil you are not fit to go to heaven so you go where you belong.
Believing and trusting in Jesus as your Lord and Savior is the same
as turning from evil and choosing good. That is true justice.
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20 Dec 11
"Believing and trusting in Jesus as your Lord and Savior is the same
as turning from evil and choosing good."
That's it? What happens if you don't follow the teachings of Jesus after you profess to the above?
Suppose you follow the teachings of Jesus but were not brought up as a Christian and follow the practices of Islam, Judaism, Hinduism, Buddhism?
Let's say folks go to hell - can they then repent and go into heaven?
These are all questions ons has to ask oneself - I think.
20 Dec 11
Originally posted by moon1969third: Is there a hell? Fourth: If there is a hell, then what is it's nature.
The question could be phrased a little differently and in two parts.
First, does God or Jesus (the same?) have the power to prevent people (or souls) from going to hell. Second, if so, is God or Jesus moral for letting a good person go to hell simply because that good person did not accept Jesus as savior.
You presume too much....
20 Dec 11
Originally posted by kbear1kG'day from down under.
"Believing and trusting in Jesus as your Lord and Savior is the same
as turning from evil and choosing good."
That's it? What happens if you don't follow the teachings of Jesus after you profess to the above?
Suppose you follow the teachings of Jesus but were not brought up as a Christian and follow the practices of Islam, Judaism, Hinduism, Buddhism? ...[text shortened]... hen repent and go into heaven?
These are all questions ons has to ask oneself - I think.
Dont think I've had the pleasure before, but lets see..
1. Do you believe in Hell? (ie Eternal damnation/suffering/[insert own])
2. Do you believe that Jesus is the only "way"?
3. Lets say that I've kept my mind open, and am ready to respond and "get in touch with"/"be harmonious with" whatever entity presents itself to me ,(I have to assume that real Divine entities are eternal and are therefor sexless), lets just say that Buddha came and talked to me but Jesus has said nothing all my life to me?
Am I misinterpretting my experiences or was that really Buddha?
What say you, great bear?
(BTW, I've already considered your questions many times before and wish to waste no time in repeating myself to the forum, unless I really, Really, have to)