22 Dec 11
Originally posted by kbear1kFor Christ did not enter a holy place made with hands, a mere copy of the
Where does it say that in the Bible?
true one, but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for
us; nor was it that He would offer Himself often, as the high priest enters
the holy place year by year with blood that is not his own. Otherwise, He
would have needed to suffer often since the foundation of the world; but
now once at the consummation of the ages He has been manifested to put
away sin by the sacrifice of Himself. And inasmuch as it is appointed for
men to die once and after this comes judgment, so Christ also, having
been offered once to bear the sins of many, will appear a second time for
salvation without reference to sin, to those who eagerly await Him.
(Hebrew 9:24-28 NASB)
22 Dec 11
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Originally posted by jaywillMost people are not like my youngest son, who can read a whole page of text
Thanks for the feedback.
in a a few seconds. I am a very slow reader. I have to push to read 200
words a minute. I would rather you makes short posts too. I know sometimes
it is difficult to get all the information you want to in a short post. But it
would be better for me if you could limit the information and divide it over
many posts. That way it would give everyone interested time to reply to one
idea at a time. Then you could fill in the details as the need arises.
22 Dec 11
Originally posted by RJHindsI also am a slow reader.
Most people are not like my youngest son, who can read a whole page of text
in a a few seconds. I am a very slow reader. I have to push to read 200
words a minute. I would rather you makes short posts too. I know sometimes
it is difficult to get all the information you want to in a short post. But it
would be better for me if you could limit the inf ...[text shortened]... ed time to reply to one
idea at a time. Then you could fill in the details as the need arises.
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23 Dec 11
Originally posted by RJHindsSo we are judged at the moment of death and it is final? Who's to say that God will not at a later time re-address the issue. After all does not God want all of his/her sheep to return to the fold?...and if God is all-loving why would God send his/her children to eternal damnation? Would you do that to your child? What about the parable of the Good Samaritan. If God is eternal would not God want to spend eternity trying to bring his/her children home?
For Christ did not enter a holy place made with hands, a mere copy of the
true one, but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for
us; nor was it that He would offer Himself often, as the high priest enters
the holy place year by year with blood that is not his own. Otherwise, He
would have needed to suffer often since the foundation o ...[text shortened]... for
salvation without reference to sin, to those who eagerly await Him.
(Hebrew 9:24-28 NASB)
23 Dec 11
Originally posted by kbear1kdepends on which god(s) you're talking about.
So we are judged at the moment of death and it is final? Who's to say that God will not at a later time re-address the issue. After all does not God want all of his/her sheep to return to the fold?...and if God is all-loving why would God send his/her children to eternal damnation? Would you do that to your child? What about the parable of the Good Samaritan. If God is eternal would not God want to spend eternity trying to bring his/her children home?
the christian trinity gods: no.
the psychopath of the koran: no
the psychopath of the old testament: arguably yes.
the karmic reincarnation nonsense: does not apply.
23 Dec 11
Originally posted by RJHindsThank you RJ Hinds.
For Christ did not enter a holy place made with hands, a mere copy of the
true one, but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for
us; nor was it that He would offer Himself often, as the high priest enters
the holy place year by year with blood that is not his own. Otherwise, He
would have needed to suffer often since the foundation o ...[text shortened]... for
salvation without reference to sin, to those who eagerly await Him.
(Hebrew 9:24-28 NASB)
23 Dec 11
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Originally posted by kbear1kHe will wait, but you do not have unlimited time to return home.
But the parable of the Prodigal Son seems to illustrate that God will always wait for us to come back - does in not?
P.S. You did not respond when SwissGambit said to you,
"Hell is one of the greatest mind control tactics ever invented."
Do you believe that? If so, who invented it?
23 Dec 11
Originally posted by jaywillWould you say that we have free will, to allign ourselves with "God's Will"?
1.)
If there is an ultimate and final good, final goodness and beauty, a final rightness, and righteousness, a final Governor with a final adminisration of final rightness, justice, equity, beyond which there is no other umpire or decider - a final and perfect Arbitrator
AND
2.) there is a free will to decide, to choose, to determine which co ...[text shortened]... plenty of room for things left unsaid which the critic may point out as gaping "problems".
This is the sort of psychological idea(s) that I could work with.
Remember I see "sin" as "god-eclipsing" , so it's not necessarily just a matter of not committing a "bad act" (as I see christians explain sin).
To take another path to this I would remind you of what the "eastern mystics" say about karma .(Karma being akin to "sin " in many ways).
They say that first we must rid ourselves of bad karma and accumulate good karma. We are not supposed to hold onto good karma. We are supposed to (intelligently/diligently), spread our good karma to help others.
Once karma is understood, (the best way is to see the karma in your own life, and designate it-"keep the flow going"- not to accumulate).
The ultimate goal is to rid ourselves of all karma and be 'born' into Nirvana , karmaless and desireless. To understand the role of karma in our lives and realize that we are moving out of the "Law of Karma" and into the "Law of "Grace" " - which is not unlike the "Grace" that christians sometimes talk about.
Although I'm not sure there are any christian teachings that inform us the "souls" journey from the Law of Karma to the Law of Grace as well as say Buddhism does.
Buddhism is the best system of psychology I have come across. It is complete (for me anyway, although I did need other info to infuse with, to understand that properly.)
There is no need to mention a god or any other "divine entities" with buddhism-despite there being more buddhists statues of Gautama Buddha than any other religious figure.
Buddhism can be viewed as a system of psychology and when once one has read Yung (amongst others) then it becomes clear. The vision. The path (dharma). And one's own relationship with these metaphysical things.
The freedom (free will) to do with as we please, or possibly try for that one in ten thousand shot at "getting that sperm into the egg" is actually a narrow narrow road, but a road none the less, which will bring peace and understanding,etc. to the genuine seeker who has understood the psychology, the steps (tailored to the individual seeker), and lastly the conviction, without which there will be no success (for that little sperm )
23 Dec 11
Originally posted by karoly aczelMy advise to you is to forget about what "eastern mystics" say about karma.
Would you say that we have free will, to allign ourselves with "God's Will"?
This is the sort of psychological idea(s) that I could work with.
Remember I see "sin" as "god-eclipsing" , so it's not necessarily just a matter of not committing a "bad act" (as I see christians explain sin).
To take another path to this I would remind you of what ...[text shortened]... ithout which there will be no success (for that little sperm )
Instead pay attention to what is written in the scriptures of the Holy Bible
and what Jesus says. Once you understand the teachings of Jesus, you will
no longer need any system of psychology.