03 Mar 19
@divegeester saidBecause your interpretation is arbitrary.
If there is nothing to discuss then why did you challenge me on it?
All the other trees are literal fruit bearing trees. So why should the tree of life and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil be any different?
There's no indication in the text that they are anything other than literal trees. What's more, there is no text of scripture that indicates a metaphorical link between Jesus and the tree of life.
You have no proof texts to base that interpretation on. It's merely your misguided opinion.
03 Mar 19
@secondson saidI’ve given you the reasons in my post earlier in the thread. You haven’t addressed those. Feel free to do so as soon as you’re ready.
Because your interpretation is arbitrary.
All the other trees are literal fruit bearing trees. So why should the tree of life and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil be any different?
There's no indication in the text that they are anything other than literal trees. What's more, there is no text of scripture that indicates a metaphorical link between Jesus and ...[text shortened]... life.
You have no proof texts to base that interpretation on. It's merely your misguided opinion.
@secondson saidWell there are two trees of life for a start!
There's no indication in the text that they are anything other than literal trees. What's more, there is no text of scripture that indicates a metaphorical link between Jesus and the tree of life.
I keep asking you, where is this tree of life now?
Can you still eat it’s eternal life giving fruit?
Does eating the fruit mean you don’t need Jesus for eternal life? Presumably so as one would already have eternal life!
@kellyjay saidYou trotted out your Christian beliefs again. The only message you have for atheists is that we are going to be tortured for not sharing your beliefs. If we shared your beliefs maybe we wouldn't get tortured. Merely trotting out your Christian beliefs again and again and again isn't changing the simple straightforward message that you have for atheists.
I did, but like most things you don't see anything that doesn't fit into your world view, regardless of how often it is told to you.
03 Mar 19
@philokalia saidWe are part of the Cosmos; if we have will and agency, so does it.
It is interesting how he ascribes will and agency to the cosmos.
I was always under the impression that he was a hard materialist.
Would he admit he was just waxing poetic in this statement?
03 Mar 19
@kellyjay saidBut could we really help but eat from such a tree? I don't see how.
That tree was our down fall, God knows about the knowledge of good and evil, man didn't until they ate of it. Now we are experiencing good and evil, and the evil experiences are by both the things we see, and the things we do. Now we spend a lot of time trying to call this good or that, and we act as if we are the absolute in this realm of deciding what is and isn't good tod ...[text shortened]... ustify what we do and say in our own eyes, no matter what it is we think we are calling good or bad.
@bigdoggproblem saidDon't you resist urges today you know are bad and evil? I'd be willing to bet you do, and are a better person for it. Having an urge doesn't mean it has to be followed, being tempted doesn't mean we have to yield.
But could we really help but eat from such a tree? I don't see how.
03 Mar 19
@kellyjay saidIf BDP resists an ugre to be evil, and you resist an urge to be evil, who is the righteous?
Don't you resist urges today you know are bad and evil? I'd be willing to bet you do, and are a better person for it. Having an urge doesn't mean it has to be followed, being tempted doesn't mean we have to yield.
@sonship saidThis phrase has to be the most objectionable thing a religionist can say to an unbeliever. It’s sneering, condemning, mocking and ridiculing.
Many of you don't get it yet, do you ?
Who have I heard say it the most in this forum over the years...the cultists Galveston75 and Robbie Carrobie.
And now sonship. Well well well.