What is the point of eternal suffering?

@fmf said
They're very credible.

What would be the moral purpose of brutalizing someone who doesn't think so?

But who is "brutalizing" them?

Not God.

@fmf said
Torturing human beings because they reject "communion" with your Christian God figure only makes moral sense if all humans are aware of the Christian God's existence so that they can reject his teachings. The supposed "revelation" has been a failure if it is measured by a desire to bring all humans "to Christ". Oh but wait, you say that torturing them has no moral purpose. That's handy for you.

But, again, we are looking at the same issues:

I. God does not torture them, just as how God does not send anyone to hell. The choices that we make, and the life that we lead, as free agents, sends us to hell.

IIa. The revelation is not a failure if it does not bring everyone: it is the people who fail the revelation by not being persuaded by it.

IIb. THere's a lot of nuance in this when it comes to people of other religious backgrounds.

III. Review of my position in the purpose debate:

The definition of purpose:

The object toward which one strives or for which something exists; an aim or goal: synonym: intention.

OR

The reason for which something is done, or the reason it is done in a particular way.

Purpose in the sense that there is an end goal involved to which people are striving for (def. 1): No, there is not an end goal and thus not a 'purpose' per se in the existence of hell in the sense of this definition.

Purpose in the sense that it there is a reason for it occurring (def. 2): Yes, there is a reason. But there is not a goal for the existence of hell.

This distinction was largely relevant on page one, but by page ten it has been fallaciously oversimplified to make an argument in bad faith.

@philokalia said
But, again, we are looking at the same issues:

I. God does not torture them, just as how God does not send anyone to hell. The choices that we make, and the life that we lead, as free agents, sends us to hell.

IIa. The revelation is not a failure if it does not bring everyone: it is the people who fail the revelation by not being persuaded by it.

[b ...[text shortened]... page one, but by page ten it has been fallaciously oversimplified to make an argument in bad faith.

So now there IS a moral purpose behind torment in burning flames for eternity, after all?

@philokalia said
Hell is real and not a metaphor.

Oh, so now "Hell" is NOT a metaphor after all, then?

@philokalia said
I gladly repost links to the posts that I refer to that you question me about.

Why can't you keep track of posts you're referring to?

It might help us all if we actually had a long post reply format as opposed to us always filling up page after page with these single paragraph posts.

The way I'm posting is fine. Post as you see fit. I'd already responded to the thing you were suggesting I hadn't. You know full well why I see the torturer god ideology to be malignant narcissism.

@philokalia said
But who is "brutalizing" them?

Not God.

If God is not brutalizing those who are supposedly consigned to "damnation", then there is no "damnation" and if there are no "flames" and there is no "burning" then there is obviously no "torment in burning flames for eternity". Perhaps people just die and then they're dead. That's what all the evidence points to, religionist mumbo jumbo aside.

@philokalia said
Where?

Ask sonship, read your bible, as KellyJay. These are the proponents of this terrible teaching.

You just don’t know your bible.

@philokalia said
Wait, so what do you believe?

You say the Bible says God created hell and you're a Christian that doesn't believe in hell...

I’m informing you of what you don’t know about the doctrine of eternal hell. You are so poorly read on biblical things it almost impossible to converse with you.

@philokalia said
...it's the theology of the Orthodox church.

Yes, a made up theology.

@philokalia said
When you cut your finger on a knife, the pain exists because of the knife and your action.

But I am not playing around with a knife. There is no analogy between cutting my finger with a knife, or me having a knife near my finger, or me playing around with a knife, and me simply living my life. Intellectually speaking, do analogies like this work on you?

@philokalia said
When you cut your finger on a knife, the pain exists because of the knife and your action.

It's like that.

What is the purpose of burning people alive in Hell for eternity?

@philokalia said
But who is "brutalizing" them?

Not God.

I would classify the eternal torture of a person as brutalising them, don’t you?

@philokalia said
Right. Theres eternal souls and God is said to radiate fire/light.

Where's the conflict.

So now there IS fire after all, then?

@philokalia said
God does not torture them, just as how God does not send anyone to hell. The choices that we make, and the life that we lead, as free agents, sends us to hell.

According to the theology of eternal suffering:

Non Christians are “cast” into the lake of fire where they are burnt alive for eternity in the presence of Jesus, the lamb.

You are ignorant of the writings in your own bible and how they are interpreted by the church. It’s all wrong of course because it’s pointless amoral nonsense and misinterpreted metaphors.

@fmf said
So now there IS fire after all, then?

I don’t know why you spend time on philokalia; he’s uneducated on the doctrine and poorly read in terms of biblical scripture. It’s like trying to explain to a child why they need to tidy up their room.