What is the point of eternal suffering?

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You didn't think it was biblical that man is created in the image of God. I wouldn't exactly say you're a very well versed theologian.

I don't say that to shame you but someone has to point out that you aren't a good judge of who is and who isn't being biblically founded.

@fmf said
Thanks for the reiteration of your superstitious notions which you are very, very, very certain create some moral imperatives for me and impact the reality in which I live. Thank you for your assertions. I will match them with some of my assertions about what I am very certain about.

You see, you're control of your actions and life,

I am in control of my actions - a ...[text shortened]... mes across as nonsense.

Thank you for your assertions about me. Ignore mine if you see fit do so.

Your mistake is thinking that God isn't real and that the final judgment isn't real here.

That is fine, and we can debate that, but that would be another thread at this point. This is about eternal suffering.

@fmf said
Intellectually speaking, do analogies like this work on you?

Yes. They're good analogies.

Tell me where the error is.

@philokalia said
But you're missing a giant point here.

Hell is real.

You're just being obtuse about the point on how one gets there.

You have not given me any reason to believe "Hell is real".

No one "gets there" and the "how" one supposedly does, according to the way you describe what appeals to your imagination, comes across like self-parody.

No one sends themselves to a place to be tortured forever for no moral purpose.

If your profoundly superstitious ideology gives you comfort, however, you go for it.

I am not being obtuse at all.

@philokalia said
Yes. They're good analogies.

Tell me where the error is.

Life isn't like 'playing around with a knife'.

If you believe that your God figure is maybe going to cast you into "Hell" and torment you in burning flames for eternity because you believe life is like 'playing around with a knife', and this affects how you live your life, and you think the anger of your God figure is like a sharp knife, then that is your prerogative. But it's just prattle to a non-believer.

Does the knife analogy work for you, intellectually speaking? It sounds like a gimmick a proselytizer might employ with a feebleminded or vulnerable person. Does it appeal to your intellect? Even if it does, it's a dud if you use it to talk to people like me.

@philokalia said
Your mistake is thinking that God isn't real and that the final judgment isn't real here.

It is not a "mistake". Thank you for your religionist assertions, though. They counter-balance mine, and no harm is done.

@philokalia said
This is about eternal suffering.

There is no such thing. Your convoluted attempted to explain what it is, and how it works, make it sound preposterous and incredible. Perhaps it is something you should only speak about to people who already agree with you.

@philokalia said
People send themselves to hell by their own actions, do they not?

I have no plans to send myself to "Hell". Does that mean I'm just going to be dead when I die, and that'll be that?

@fmf said
You have not given me any reason to believe "Hell is real".

No one "gets there" and the "how" one supposedly does, according to the way you describe what appeals to your imagination, comes across like self-parody.

No one sends themselves to a place to be tortured forever for no moral purpose.

If your profoundly superstitious ideology gives you comfort, however, you go for it.

I am not being obtuse at all.

First off, the bulk of what you said isn't directly relevant to the thread and bogs down discussion. Actually proving that hell exists is a completely different set of arguments, one that isn't as common to see here....

Second, do people cut themselves while slicing food ingredients?

Do people kill themselves while drunk driving?

Of course.

How would it not be the case that people, through their own actions, likewise send themselves to hell?

@fmf said
I have no plans to send myself to "Hell". Does that mean I'm just going to be dead when I die, and that'll be that?

You have an immortal soul whether you recognize it or not.

Just as such, I am a mortal who will fade into nothing if you are right, whether I recognize that or not is equally irrelevant.

@fmf said
There is no such thing. Your convoluted attempted to explain what it is, and how it works, make it sound preposterous and incredible. Perhaps it is something you should only speak about to people who already agree with you.

Lol, your attempts to bully me out of the thread by insisting that it sounds silly are ridiculous.

You don't mount effective arguments at what I'm saying and instead make category errors while we debate.

If anything about this is silly its your inability to tee off on a single topic. You continue just trying to sound byte your way out of this with short quips without any follow through.

@fmf said
Life isn't like 'playing around with a knife'.

If you believe that your God figure is maybe going to cast you into "Hell" and torment you in burning flames for eternity because you believe life is like 'playing around with a knife', and this affects how you live your life, and you think the anger of your God figure is like a sharp knife, then that is your prerogative. But it's ...[text shortened]... es it appeal to your intellect? Even if it does, it's a dud if you use it to talk to people like me.

We aren't talking about whether or not LIFE IS LIKE PLAYING WITH A KNIFE, we are talking about how a person gets unintended results from their actions which is them being punished by their own poor choices and actions.

When a criminal commits a crime and is sent to jail, he isn't sent to jail by the judge for some arbitrary reason. He has committed a crime. He has sent himself to jail.

Just as such, the carelessness of one's actions results in cutting yourself while cutting something else.

How is this a silly comparison?

O Mr. Bigbrain, tell me how I'm feeble minded if this appeals to me, lol.

@philokalia said
Lol, your attempts to bully me out of the thread by insisting that it sounds silly are ridiculous.

I think you should keep posting. Don't leave the thread. You are providing loads of primary evidence to support my belief that your ideology is far-fetched. Keep posting.

@philokalia said
You don't mount effective arguments at what I'm saying and instead make category errors while we debate.

You have not said anything to convince me that I won't simply be dead when I die. You certainly have not offered any moral argument why I should be tortured for not having the same beliefs about life/torture after death as you have.

@philokalia said
If anything about this is silly its your inability to tee off on a single topic. You continue just trying to sound byte your way out of this with short quips without any follow through.

I think the what I am posting is fine. I have met people on the tube in London who have told me they are Jesus. I use short clear sentences with them.