What is the point of eternal suffering?

@fmf said
So now there IS a moral purpose behind torment in burning flames for eternity, after all?

It appears you didn't actually interact with what was being said in good faith, because I wrote about this earlier.

What is the moral goal of hell? There isn't one. It's the end itself.

What is the reason that hell exists? Because people send themselves there through their actions and desires (desire is a redundant word here because desires are actions).

From page two

https://www.redhotpawn.com/forum/spirituality/what-is-the-point-of-eternal-suffering.181749/page-2#post_4069063

Say, how do you create a hyperlink to a specific post?

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Is this a serious post or claim or was the initial post you made just so you can say this?

@fmf said
Oh, so now "Hell" is NOT a metaphor after all, then?

You're not posting in good faith because you know I believe in hell and this is actually a discussion about the nature of flames and flesh.

@fmf said
But I am not playing around with a knife. There is no analogy between cutting my finger with a knife, or me having a knife near my finger, or me playing around with a knife, and me simply living my life. Intellectually speaking, do analogies like this work on you?

You see, you're control of your actions and life, and the flame will come. We all go to the same place. It's simply a matter of how we have conditioned ourselves as to how we will be in relation to the fire of God.

@sonship said
@Ghost-of-a-Duke


The question I asked Dive was about what would not be in the presence of an omnipresent God.

Ghost asks:

Can you clearly validate this claim (through scripture) that God is depicted as existing everywhere, as opposed to having a distinct location?

Psalm 139 includes these words -
[quote] Where shall I go, away from ...[text shortened]... lain well, does this cause you to rationalize that what cannot be fully explained will not be real ?

You equate poetic language with factual statements? (Or just when it is helpful to do so? )

@philokalia said
It appears you didn't actually interact with what was being said in good faith

I think I am posting just fine.

@philokalia said
You see, you're control of your actions and life, and the flame will come. We all go to the same place. It's simply a matter of how we have conditioned ourselves as to how we will be in relation to the fire of God.

If the God figure in your ideology is not going to torment me in burning flames for eternity,

and I am not going to torment myself in burning flames for eternity,

and your God has not created a "Hell" in which I would be tormented in burning flames for eternity by him or by anyone else or by me,

then, it would seem that I am not going to get tormented in burning flames for eternity.

It's a relief.

Although, to be frank, the threat of it wasn't working on me anyway ~ by which I mean, the stuff you come out with about this stuff does not make me think that a creator being has revealed himself or his wishes to you.

@philokalia said
You see, you're control of your actions and life, and the flame will come. We all go to the same place. It's simply a matter of how we have conditioned ourselves as to how we will be in relation to the fire of God.

Thanks for the reiteration of your superstitious notions which you are very, very, very certain create some moral imperatives for me and impact the reality in which I live. Thank you for your assertions. I will match them with some of my assertions about what I am very certain about.

You see, you're control of your actions and life,

I am in control of my actions - and responsible for them - but we are not always in control of "life".

and the flame will come.

There is no "flame" that "will come". Listening to your convoluted posting only makes me more certain of that.

We all go to the same place.

We all die, that much I am certain of. But it's unlikely you and I will be buried in the same cemetery. The one where I will be laid to rest is a private family one.

It's simply a matter of how we have conditioned ourselves as to how we will be in relation to the fire of God.

I have no relationship with the God figure at the centre of your religionist ideology. The fact you think I do does not really affect me.

There is no "fire of God" that I am aware of. And, to my way of thinking, the stuff you have said with regard to your beliefs about a "fire of God" comes across as nonsense.

Thank you for your assertions about me. Ignore mine if you see fit do so.

@philokalia said
When you cut your finger on a knife, the pain exists because of the knife and your action.

It's like that.

Intellectually speaking, do analogies like this work on you?

@fmf said
If the God figure in your ideology is not going to torment me in burning flames for eternity,

and I am not going to torment myself in burning flames for eternity,

and your God has not created a "Hell" in which I would be tormented in burning flames for eternity by him or by anyone else or by me,

then, it would seem that I am not going to get tormented in burning flames ...[text shortened]... ut this stuff does not make me think that a creator being has revealed himself or his wishes to you.

But you're missing a giant point here.

Hell is real.

You're just being obtuse about the point on how one gets there.

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Haha, that's a lot of hard posturing.

None of the people in this thread have refuted what I am defending and you haven't even argued against it much at all now, have you?

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But Christ isn't actively torturing anyone.

People send themselves to hell by their own actions, do they not?

Are you or are you not responsible for what you do?