28 Jul 16
Originally posted by checkbaiterJohn 10: 17-18 Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again.No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.
Ok, so what do you think he meant? That he raised himself?
Did Jesus say He was the one laying down His life?
Did Jesus say He was the one that had the power to take it up again?
We agree God raised Him from the dead.
1+1=2
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28 Jul 16
Originally posted by KellyJayNever mind...🙂
John 10: 17-18 Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again.No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.
Did Jesus say He was the one laying down His life?
Did Jesus say He was the one that had the power to take it up again?
We agree God raised Him from the dead.
1+1=2
Originally posted by KellyJayYou claim to a be a Christian too, don't you? Didn't you, just a few weeks ago claim that every single thing I post comes from the gutter?
You claim to be a Christian right, do you think spewing this stuff is actually walking out the
walk God has for you?
28 Jul 16
Originally posted by KellyJayIf, you think John 10:17-18 is correct and Acts 2:22-25, Acts 2:32-33, Acts 3:14-16, Acts 4:10, Acts 5:30-31, Acts 10:39-41 are in error, then why do you think weren't they removed at some point before the Councils of Carthage?
It says what is written, and you dismissing Jesus is God is the only thing it contradicts.
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SpiritOriginally posted by divegeester
Still wriggling. I always know when you sectarian types are on the ropes when the answer is smothered in qualification and obfuscation .
Can you please tell me; is it possible to be filled with the spirit of Christ and reject a clear and fully informed understanding of your version of the trinity?
It's a yes or no answer sonship.
This is a different question about being "filled with the Spirit of Christ". The verses I quoted did not speak of "filled with". It simply talked about "have the Spirit of Christ"..
" Yet if anyone does not HAVE the Spirit of Christ he is not of Him." (Rom. 8:9b)
Now I'm sorry that I cannot confirm your imagination that I am somehow backed up against the ropes, so to speak. You are just flattering yourself.
So the question I answer again in this post, corrected, is:
Can you please tell me; is it possible to [have] the Spirit of Christ and reject a clear and fully informed understanding of your version of the trinity?
1.) I believe someone might have the Spirit of Christ and propagate errors, false teachings, and heresies. Yes, someone may be terribly confused and damaged by false teachers yet have the Spirit of Christ.
2. ) I believe that just because someone can demonstrate doctrinal agreement with me on the Trinity does not mean that he has the Spirit of Christ. No, just because his doctrinal discussion seems to agree with me point by point is no guarantee that that one has ever received the Spirit of Christ.
3.) I don't believe it is possible for a Christian to always know who is a real believer and who is a false believer, (Matt. 13:24-30) , ie. "have the Spirit of Christ" to be "of Him."
Now I know you like to imagine that I am "wiggling", at a super difficult question and embarrassed or "on the ropes". But there is not much need to further sharpen the question hoping to make me squirm somehow. Now that it is replied to a second time, at least, we can go on about the Trinity.
29 Jul 16
Originally posted by sonshipAre you able to know that you are a "real believer".
I don't believe it is possible for a Christian to always know who is a real believer and who is a false believer, [b](Matt. 13:24-30) , ie. [b]"have the Spirit of Christ" to be [b]"of Him."
How are people here supposed to tell whether or not you're a "false believer"?
29 Jul 16
Originally posted by sonshipAre you confident that, if someone believes the same things as you, then they are definitely "saved"?
I believe someone might have the Spirit of Christ and propagate errors, false teachings, and heresies. Yes, someone may be terribly confused and damaged by false teachers yet have the Spirit of Christ.
Originally posted by sonshipYou are begining to sound like The JWs, dogging and avoiding a simple question about your beliefs. I'm not asking you whether you know someone is saved or filled with the spirit of Christ, I am asking you about the impact of your doctrines. You asked my in another thread what strange beliefs you have and I think this is one of them - you hemming and hawing around the subject, lacking the forthrightness to come out and be unequivocal is just making you appear like you don't want to address the question, which is:
Now that it is replied to a second time, at least, we can go on about the Trinity.
In your opinon/belief, does the outright rejection of the trinity doctrine (nothing else, just that), preclude someone from being spirit filled and therefore, according to your definition, not saved?
You can of course qualify your reply if you feel the need to, but it is primarily a yes or no response sonship.
Edit: apologies for the edits, lots of typos.
29 Jul 16
Originally posted by FMFNice to see good principles in play with the "true" Chrisitans here 😉
Originally posted by divegeester
[b]This is an excellent point thank you. I've never noticed this before. Supports my ONE person godhead perspective, would you agree?
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Did you accidentally break the terms of your shunning of divegeester? 😛[/b]
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Originally posted by divegeesterI think the question has been answered.
I don't feel anything has been dodged. Perhaps if you are hoping certain words come out of my mouth and they don't, this constitutes a "dodge" to you. I don't know what those words are.
It seems that you want to find out something like " How doctrinally wrong can a truly saved person be?" Only God knows that for certain.
This is not a profitable line of discussion for me to pursue - "How WRONG can I talk and still be saved?"
Since Scripture does not encourage believers to be in error, this is a worthless subject to labor on.
Now. here I found a very good discussion and debate between Trinitarians and Unitarians. In my opinion, some of the objections of Unitarians are forcefully argued. And quite a few of the effective rebuttals are made in defense of the Trinity. That's my take. You may see it differently.
My opinion is that the three videos are well worth the time for a few of the posters in this discussion. I have completely watched two and about a half of the third.
1. ) Trinitarians verses Unitarians (1/2)
2.) Trinitarians verses Unitarians (2/2)