What!? Not Talk About the Trinity ?

To me the Trinity is probably the biggest evidence that we are touching in God Someone totally not man-made.

When i contemplate the three-oneness of God as the Bible shows, I am assured that we have come in contact with the eternal and the Divine.

The truth of the Triune God is the biggest filter to act strain out man's boasting of his own powers of knowledge.

Mock on friends. This one is PELEH - Wonderful! (Isaiah 9:6)

No proud ones, I cannot explain how a born child is the Mighty God.
Nor can I fully explain how a SON given can be the Eternal Father of the Bible.

I can enjoy though, that such a Wonderful one is "UNTO US" .

Mock on now -- Robbie.
Rajk999 - mock on !

Mock on in your pride of your created limited human mind.

You mock. I'll enjoy God who is "unto us" for our experience.

Griffith Thomas founder of Dallas Theological Seminary wrote -

The threefold distinction in God, which is expressed by the word "Trinity," is the attempt of man to conceive and express the meaning of the Infinite God in terms of Jesus Christ, and we believe that the use of the phrase "The Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit," is the very best rendering of the mystery that can be given .... The true meaning of Trinitarian doctrine, therefore, is not separate spheres o Divine operation in connection with each Person, but the united and inclusive operations of three Persons in one God .... When we turn to St. Paul, we find substantially the same set of ideas. The language about the indwelling of Christ and of the Spirit is practically indentical ...

Originally posted by sonship
Here is another example of some of the really stupid things you come up with.

The [b]New Testament itself speaks of "the great mystery" and "Christ the mystery of God". It also says that the serving ones in the church life should hold "the mystery of the faith".

So is Paul below your lofty level because he wrote "the glor ...[text shortened]... hat you perfectly understand God's inner nature doesn't impress me, if it impresses checkbaiter.

Originally posted by sonship
To me the Trinity is probably the biggest evidence that we are touching in God Someone totally not man-made.

When i contemplate the three-oneness of God as the Bible shows, I am assured that we have come in contact with the eternal and the Divine.

The truth of the Triune God is the biggest filter to act strain out man's boasting of his own powers ...[text shortened]... irit is practically indentical ...[/quote]

Quoted from the same volume by Bill Freeman above.

BTW, God does want us to understand Him....
Jer 9:23-24

"Let not the wise man boast of his wisdom
or the strong man boast of his strength
or the rich man boast of his riches,
24 but let him who boasts boast about this:
that he understands and knows me,
that I am the Lord, who exercises kindness,
justice and righteousness on earth,
for in these I delight,"
declares the Lord.
NIV

Originally posted by sonship
[b]
Mock on now -- Robbie.
Rajk999 - mock on !

Originally posted by checkbaiter

I don't mock anyone, I only speak what I believe to be the truth of the bible, common sense and what is logical.
I have already stated that I have many "Trinitarian" brothers and sisters whom I love dearly. I do not try to force my views on them, but will not hesitate to speak what I believe. Some of them have changed their view on many topics, including the Trinity, eternal suffering and on the dead being dead until the Lord returns.

Originally posted by checkbaiter
BTW, God [b]does want us to understand Him....
Jer 9:23-24

"Let not the wise man boast of his wisdom
or the strong man boast of his strength
or the rich man boast of his riches,
24 but let him who boasts boast about this:
that he understands and knows me,
that I am the Lord, who exercises kindness,
justice and righteousness on earth,
for in these I delight,"
declares the Lord.
NIV
[/b]

I return to this matter of the pre-existing Christ.

Checkbaiter, if the Word became flesh, do you think that means that the Word came into being when Jesus was born ?

I believe that the Word was pre-existing before the birth and the Word became flesh in that birth. This has to mean Christ is pre-existent. This has to mean that Jesus Christ is in some way pre-existent.

This Person, now [edited] being born is in the world. It is the same Person. It is the same Person become flesh.

" He [the Word] was in the world [after the Word became flesh] and the world came into being through Him, yet the world did not know Him." (John 1:10)

Originally posted by Rajk999
Is that proof that God wants man to understand his inner nature as sohship claims?

Originally posted by sonship
[quote] I don't mock anyone, I only speak what I believe to be the truth of the bible, common sense and what is logical.
I have already stated that I have many "Trinitarian" brothers and sisters whom I love dearly. I do not try to force my views on them, but will not hesitate to speak what I believe. Some of them have changed their view on many topics, inc ...[text shortened]... re Christ ? Jesus was more dear to them after you caused a change in doctrinal opinion in them ?

Originally posted by sonship
I return to this matter of the pre-existing Christ.

Checkbaiter, if the Word became flesh, do you think that means that the Word came into being when Jesus was born ?

I believe that the Word was pre-existing before the birth and the Word became flesh in that birth. This has to mean Christ is pre-existent. This has to mean that Jesus Christ is in s ...[text shortened]... the God with Whom He was.
He was the same God as the God with Whom He was.

Your comment?

Originally posted by checkbaiter

I think they identify with Christ the man in a deeper sense. They appreciate more fully his suffering and obedience

Originally posted by checkbaiter

This is where we part views. You are convinced the logos was a person.

"He was in the beginning with God." (v.2)

"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." (v.1)

I believe it was a plan that was in the mind of God for Ages. This plan is what became flesh or was brought to fruition in the second Adam, Jesus Christ.

" ... which we beheld and our hands handled, concerning the Word of life.

(And the life was manifested , and we have seen and testify and report to you the eternal life which was with the Father and was manifested to us." ) ( 1 John 1b,2)

Originally posted by checkbaiter
It says understand Him. You decide what it means.

Originally posted by Rajk999
I dont have to decide. The passage says to understand and to know that He exercise lovingkindness, judgment, and righteousness, in the earth: God is happy when people do that.

Trying to figure out beyond that like sonship does, and believing that there is virtue is this going off on a tangent kind of understanding is where people go astray.