What will be the fuel?

Originally posted by @sonship
Let's say someone claims to have been its Originator AND displays characteristics of Wisdom, Knowledge, Power, and Authority which support the claim. Is it reasonable for me to believe that what I do not know has been given to me by revelation ?

I have never questioned your sincerity.

Originally posted by @sonship
Is [b]all belief about it "folklore," "mythology," and "superstition" necessarily? [/b]

I think what you propagate here is folklore, mythology and superstition. That's my perspective. It's not a perspective I require you to adopt.

Originally posted by @fmf
I don't know how long the universe has been here. I don't know the age or the origin of the universe.

Will I be tortured by your god figure, do you think, for saying this?

Will I be tortured by your god figure, do you think, for saying this?

Is it impossible that a torturer Creator created the universe or do you figure it OUGHT not be so ?

Ie. God a Creator should be kind, loving, merciful, forgiving, not vengeful, never punishing and certainly not forever?

Which?

If you were to contemplate WHO in history manifests such arttributes more than anyone else such as being kind, loving, merciful, forgiving, is there anyone who seems to stand out among history's humans to display such characteristics?

Originally posted by @sonship
Let me guess.

"I don't know." ?

That's right. I don't know. And the answer is "I don't know" when asked the same stuff by a Muslim. So, you go for no.3 (back when I plumped for no.1). And then you get from there to God only forgiving the "sins" of mankind if He lets his "Son" be executed by the Romans first. In the end, you are a Christian reciting Christian ideology. Neither of us are physicists.

Originally posted by @fmf
I think what you propagate here is folklore, mythology and superstition. That's my perspective. It's not a perspective I require you to adopt.

Can propagation be of something that is true?

Is all propagation by nature, of what is not true?

Propagation of what is TRUE is possible ?

Yes?
Never!

Originally posted by @sonship
Is it impossible that a torturer Creator created the universe or do you figure it OUGHT not be so ?

Ie. God a Creator should be kind, loving, merciful, forgiving, not vengeful, never punishing and certainly not forever?

Which?

If you were to contemplate WHO in history manifests such arttributes more than anyone else such as being [b] kind ...[text shortened]... ] is there anyone who seems to stand out among history's humans to display such characteristics?

Will I be tortured by your god figure, do you think, for not believing the things you believe?

Originally posted by @fmf
Will I be tortured by your god figure, do you think, for not believing the things you believe?

Where is your un-convoluted explanation of a universe that has always existed yet has not by now run down ?

Do you need more time ?

Originally posted by @sonship
Is it impossible that a torturer Creator created the universe or do you figure it OUGHT not be so ?

Ie. God a Creator should be kind, loving, merciful, forgiving, not vengeful, never punishing and certainly not forever?

Which?

If you were to contemplate WHO in history manifests such arttributes more than anyone else such as being [b] kind ...[text shortened]... ] is there anyone who seems to stand out among history's humans to display such characteristics?

What appeals to your imagination and aspirations - replete with the ghastly moral atrocity at its very core - doesn't appeal to my imagination or to my spiritual side. It doesn't make sense on any level.

Originally posted by @sonship
Where is your un-convoluted explanation of a universe that has always existed yet has not by now run down ?

I responded to this more than once.

Originally posted by @sonship
Can propagation be of something that is true?

I have no reason to believe the stuff you propagate is "true".

Originally posted by @fmf
That's right. I don't know. And the answer is "I don't know" when asked the same stuff by a Muslim. So, you go for no.3 (back when I plumped for no.1). And then you get from there to God only forgiving the "sins" of mankind if He lets his "Son" be executed by the Romans first. In the end, you are a Christian reciting Christian ideology. Neither of us are physicists.

you are a Christian reciting Christian ideology.

Is it possible to recite Christian ideology and make TRUTH statements?

Is any and all recitation of Christian ideology of untrue matters BY DEFINITION ?

Where is your un-convoluted explanation of an eternal universe that has not become burnt out and cold by now?

Originally posted by @sonship
If you were to contemplate WHO in history manifests such arttributes more than anyone else such as being [b] kind, loving, merciful, forgiving, is there anyone who seems to stand out among history's humans to display such characteristics?[/b]

My. You're running through your full array of go-to rhetorical gimmicks. Look sonship, we have discussed this many times before. The last time was, I think, in March. My response to this little conversational set-piece has not changed.

Originally posted by @sonship
Is it possible to recite Christian ideology and make TRUTH statements?

Of course. Thou shalt not kill seems "true" to me. And maybe you're right about Jesus resurrection. But I don't believe you are.

If I pretend that I do believe it, can I be "saved"?

Originally posted by @sonship
Can propagation be of something that is true?

Is all propagation by nature, of what is not true?

Propagation of what is TRUE is possible ?

Yes?
Never!

To propagate simply means to spread and promote an idea, theory, etc. widely.

Originally posted by @fmf
I have no reason to believe the stuff you propagate is "true".

That was not the question.

Can in any instance the propagation of ideas be of true ideas?

If so how do you know for certain what I "propagate" is impossible to be true?

I "propagate" - Genesis 1:1. In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.

Beginning - of time.
Heavens - space.
And earth - matter.

You have a better explanation about an eternally existing heavens and earth and NO beginning of time?

Explain it without modern folklore, modern mythology, and modern convolution.