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Originally posted by @fmfEvil then ...
I have not yet been given a convincing reason to believe in "intelligent design". I could be wrong about it though. Talking about the amazing things that humans can do after however many years of evolution and progress doesn't work on me as an 'argument', as you well know. Presumably, you are trotting it out here for other people's consumption.
Is that a failure in SOMETHING to do as it is DESIGNED to do?
Yes?
No?
Does evil include this characteristic - the failure to do as something OUGHT to do ?
28 May 18
Originally posted by @sonshipWe've discussed it before.
Evil then ...
Is that a failure in SOMETHING to do as it is DESIGNED to do?
Yes?
No?
Does evil include this characteristic - the failure to do as something OUGHT to do ?
If you want to post a whole bunch of stuff on your philosophy of "evil", be my guest.
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Originally posted by @fmfSo you want to argue about one or more novels of George Orwell? You feel more prepared perhaps to talk about that ?
I would have thought that any kind of Orwellian scheme of vengeance - if it resulted in harm - would be morally unsound.
(I loved 1984 )
I also liked "To Kill An Elephant" a short story.
Come back for a moment - "Vengence" is always Orwellian?
28 May 18
Originally posted by @sonshipYour torturer god ideology-driven definitions of "perfect justice" and "ultimate morality" for thoughtcrimes - a lack of belief- have always struck me as Orwellian. We have discussed it at length before.
So you want to argue about one or more novels of George Orwell? You feel more prepared perhaps to talk about that ?
(I loved 1984 )
I also liked "To Kill An Elephant" a short story.
Come back for a moment - "Vengence" is always Orwellian?
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Originally posted by @fmfAh, so now were back to "We discussed it before. Remember ... over there .... back there ... it was all solved back then ? "
We've discussed it before.
If you want to post a whole bunch of stuff on your philosophy of "evil", be my guest.
Hard to move forward when you insist everyone has to look back.
I think this is an evasive tactic.
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Originally posted by @fmf
Your torturer god ideology-driven definitions of "perfect justice" and "ultimate morality" for thoughtcrimes - a lack of belief- have always struck me as Orwellian. We have discussed it at length before.
Your torturer god ideology-driven definitions of "perfect justice"
Would a God Who rewards all evil with blessing be more likely to be a Creator of your universe ?
And a God who is mean and vengeful who has the audacity to warn and punish evil LESS likely to be the Creator of your universe ?
Which?
28 May 18
Originally posted by @sonshipYes, refer to those times re: definition of evil re: source of morality and re: the moral incoherence of eternal torture for a lack of Christian beliefs. Refer back to them. I do not want to revisit or repeat these things. My views and explanations have not changed.
Ah, so now were back to "We discussed it before. Remember ... over there .... back there ... it was all solved back then ? "
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Would you think that a God would have it in His being to equip you with a greater sense of morality then He had to give out from Himself. is realistic ?
He has not the justice in Himself, but He has bestowed it upon His creators in keener measure ?
Is this possible?
28 May 18
Originally posted by @sonshipI don't know. Your god figure doesn't make any moral sense to me. I think you're caught up in a whirl folklore/mythology and a convoluted far-fetched and utterly mundane theology.
Would a God Who rewards all evil with blessing be more likely to be a Creator of your universe ?
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Originally posted by @fmf
I don't know. Your god figure doesn't make any moral sense to me. I think you're caught up in a whirl folklore/mythology and a convoluted far-fetched and utterly mundane theology.
whirl folklore/mythology and a convoluted far-fetched and utterly mundane theology.
That's a nice summary.
But since you admit that you DO NOT KNOW about some of these things (unless you wish to change now and say you DO know) you could be wrong.
Right?
Not possible?
28 May 18
Originally posted by @sonshipI don't have a god figure, sonship. My moral sensibilities are - if anything - only comparable to yours in a proof-is-in-the-pudding kind of way. Deeds. Your deeds. My deeds. How we interact with people. That is what morality is about. It's a thing between humans; to smooth interactions. I am not in some sort of morality competition with a supernatural being that you just so happen to believe in.
Would you think that God would have it in His being to equip you with a [b] greater sense of morality then He had to give out from Himself. is realistic ?[/b]
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Originally posted by @sonshipCould truth be expressed in a mundane way?
[b]whirl folklore/mythology and a convoluted far-fetched and utterly mundane theology.
Never?
Could be?
28 May 18
Originally posted by @sonshipSure. But I've had a long, long hard look at the stuff you go on about and, as far as I am concerned you are barking up the wrong tree. If it gives you purpose and meaning, gives you consolation in the face of death, and helps keep you morally sound, then good for you.
Can the " far fetch " be true?
Never?
Possibly it could ?