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Originally posted by @fmfSo OF COURSE ! You COULD entertain that the universe had an origin with a Creator who is outside of nature?
Of course I do. What on earth are you going on about?
If so, what characteristics do you think such an Agent might possess?
Not like a possessor of intelligence?
Like a non-possessor of intelligence?
Not like a deciding will?:
Like a deciding will?
Not with design in mind?
With design in mind?
A deist none-person like force you'd suspect as Creator?
Or a theist person like being you'd suspect as Creator?
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Originally posted by @fmfForget it.
Help me out with what exactly?
Let's get to more important things in your posts.
If the scientists seem in agreement that the stars are burning up, and the fuel of the universe is dissipating such that we might expect it to run DOWN and grow COLD and dark and heatless some time in the future, then if it is ETERNAL why has it not completely run down in that way by now ?
28 May 18
Originally posted by @sonshipI don't know about these things. I do not know the age and origin of the universe and I do not know how or even if it came into being or what any agent who might have been responsible for it would be like. I'll know it if or when it is revealed to me.
Not like a possessor of intelligence?
Like a non-possessor of intelligence?
Not like a deciding will?:
Like a deciding will?
Not with design in mind?
With design in mind?
A deist none-person like force you'd suspect as Creator?
Or a theist person like being you'd suspect as Creator?
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FMF,
If you looked at a complex system of gearing wheels attached to each other and ALL turning, would it be reasonable to think ONE wheel is the source of ALL of the motion?
Ie. All the turning of the interlocked wheels depends on the turning of at least ONE major driving wheel.
Reasonable?
Unreasonable?
28 May 18
Originally posted by @sonshipI don't know. Whatever your answer is, does it eventually lead to you believing in everlasting life and anger-revenge-punishment for people who don't have the same answer as you?
If the scientists seem in agreement that the stars are burning up, and the fuel of the universe is dissipating such that we might expect it to run DOWN and grow COLD and dark and heatless some time in the future, then if it is ETERNAL why has it not completely run down in that way by now ?
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Originally posted by @sonshipUse the interlocked gears of the wheels as an illustration of existence?
FMF,
If you looked at a complex system of gearing wheels attached to each other and ALL turning, would it be reasonable to think ONE wheel is the source of ALL of the motion?
Ie. All the turning of the interlocked wheels depends on the turning of at least ONE major driving wheel.
Reasonable?
Unreasonable?
If anything exists, isn't it reasonable to think SOMETHING has always existed as the Source of all the things which exist?
Reasonable?
Not reasonable?
28 May 18
Originally posted by @sonshipI have not yet been given a convincing reason to believe in "intelligent design". I could be wrong about it though. Talking about the amazing things that humans can do after however many years of evolution and progress doesn't work on me as an 'argument', as you well know. Presumably, you are trotting it out here for other people's consumption.
FMF,
If you looked at a complex system of gearing wheels attached to each other and ALL turning, would it be reasonable to think ONE wheel is the source of ALL of the motion?
Ie. All the turning of the interlocked wheels depends on the turning of at least ONE major driving wheel.
Reasonable?
Unreasonable?
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Originally posted by @fmfIs vengeance evil then ?
I don't know. Whatever your answer is, does it eventually lead to you believing in everlasting life and anger-revenge-punishment for people who don't have the same answer as you?
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Originally posted by @fmfWhat is evil?
I have not yet been given a convincing reason to believe in "intelligent design". I could be wrong about it though. Talking about the amazing things that humans can do after however many years of evolution and progress doesn't work on me as an 'argument', as you well know. Presumably, you are trotting it out here for other people's consumption.
Can you say that EVIL includes when something does not work the way it is Suppose to work?
Yes - EVIL is when something is not working as it should?
No - EVIL is not something not working as it SHOULD?
You help me.