What will be the fuel?

Originally posted by @sonship
But you have belief and opinion that certainly my belief is wrong.

I have the same lack of belief in the preposterous things you assert based on the supposed transcription of the "John of Patmos" vision of the dead "Jesus Christ" as I do in the preposterous things people from another religion assert based on Muhammed's transcription of his supposed vision of "Archangel Gabriel" in a cave.

Originally posted by @divegeester
Bye bye! As usual you back out when the chips are down.

As I said, let’s see what happens next.

I’ll be here for the question exchange when you get back 😉

Nice Memorial Day monday holiday in the States.
Sorry if you expected me to spend the entire day bickering here at my PC.

Give me a few questions.
I said "a few." Dazzle us with your arguments.

Originally posted by @fmf
I have the same lack of belief in the preposterous things you assert based on the supposed transcription of the "John of Patmos" vision of the dead "Jesus Christ" as I do in the preposterous things people from another religion assert based on Muhammed's transcription of his supposed vision of "Archangel Gabriel" in a cave.

You have nothing here.

There is no vision of the dead Jesus in Revelation.
There is the vision of resurrected and glorified Jesus in Revelation (chapter 1).

Mohammed himself thought he might be receiving messages from demons in the cave at first. Two women in his life encouraged him to keep receiving them. No parallel there to the writing of Revelation.

The teaching of Satan and his angels with some humans going into the eternal punishment of eternal fire is not restricted to the book of Revelation. It can also be seen in the Gospel of Matthew chapter 25.

Some things called "preposterous" by darkened minds like yours could nonetheless be true.

Your best bet is to just stick with your rote dogmatic defense - "I don't know."

Originally posted by @fmf
I have the same lack of belief in the preposterous things you assert based on the supposed transcription of the "John of Patmos" vision of the dead "Jesus Christ" as I do in the preposterous things people from another religion assert based on Muhammed's transcription of his supposed vision of "Archangel Gabriel" in a cave.

See? Your mind is so darkened that you call this a vision of the dead Jesus.

"And when I saw Him, I fell at His feet as dead and He placed His right hand on me saying,

Do not be afraid; I am the First and the Last. And I BECAME DEAD, and behold, I AM LIVING forever and ever;

and I have the keys of death and of Hades." (Rev. 1:17,18)

In the drunken stupor of your "lack of belief" your darkened mind sees that as a vision of the "dead Jesus."

Sick.

Originally posted by @sonship
See? Your mind is so darkened that you call this a vision of the dead Jesus. [...] In the drunken stupor of your "lack of belief" your darkened mind sees that as a vision of the "dead Jesus". Sick.

He was executed by the Romans.

Originally posted by @sonship
Your best bet is to just stick with your rote dogmatic defense - "I don't know."

Neither of us knows the age or the origin of the universe.

Originally posted by @fmf
Neither of us knows the age or the origin of the universe.

Neither of us knows how to explain an eternally existing universe that has not completely run down into cold dark ashes after so long.

You certainly don't, can't and won't try.

God as its supernatural origin is more believable than the theory you REFUSE to attempt to explain.

Originally posted by @fmf
He was executed by the Romans.

What does Christ's being executed by the Romans have to do with it ??

Five hundred people (most of whom) were alive at the time of Paul's writing of the First Corinthian letter claim that they saw Jesus alive after the execution ... (by the Romans).

Originally posted by @sonship
What does Christ's being executed by the Romans have to do with it ??

It made him dead, sonship. That may have come as a terrible shock to the people who admired him and may be the reason a cult of personality was carefully constructed around him in the subsequent decades and centuries - complete with the he-rose-from-the-dead and Doctrine of Atonement parts (eventually) - but the Romans executing him made him dead.

Originally posted by @sonship
Five hundred people (most of whom) were alive at the time of Paul's writing of the First Corinthian letter claim that they saw Jesus alive after the execution ... (by the Romans).

Where are these 500 testimonies?

Originally posted by @sonship
God as its supernatural origin is more believable than the theory you REFUSE to attempt to explain.

I know you think this.

Originally posted by @fmf
It made him dead, sonship. That may have come as a terrible shock to the people who admired him and may be the reason a cult of personality was carefully constructed around him in the subsequent decades and centuries - complete with the he-rose-from-the-dead and Doctrine of Atonement parts (eventually) - but the Romans executing him made him dead.

Good Friday wouldn’t be Good Friday without Resurrection Sunday. It’d just be plain old Friday.

Originally posted by @fmf
Where are these 500 testimonies?

Where’s Jesus’ body?

How do you explain the image on the Shroud of Turin?

How do you explain the transformation of Jesus’ disciples - from cowering in fear of the Pharisees after His crucifixion to boldly confronting the Pharisees and preaching in Jesus Christ’s name after His Resurrection?

How do you explain Jesus’ disciples being willing to die rather than refuse to deny they saw Jesus Christ alive after His crucifixion?

Originally posted by @fmf
Where are these 500 testimonies?

You think Jesus’ disciples were like reporters, running around collecting testimonies and interviewing people? Their job was to spread the Gospel and two of His disciples wrote Gospels. Associates of His disciples also wrote Gospels.

Saul of Tarsus (later renamed Paul) went from being a notorious persecutor of Christians to being one of Christianity’s greatest advocates and defenders and wrote most of the New Testament after encountering the Resurrected Jesus.

Originally posted by @divegeester
...what will be the fuel for the flames?

The moral compass-warping zealotry and vanity of proponents of torturer god theology.