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My question was opened ended and applied to ANYone claiming to have come to life after being dead.

I think you prefer to avoid considering the question.
Thanks anyway.
But I have not "avoided considering the question". Indeed, I have answered it head on and succinctly.

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@FMF

Nope. I contemplated your question and my answer is that I don't believe anyone has risen from the dead and so "personality characteristics" have nothing to do with it. Note that I didn't mention Christ in my answer. There was no dodge.


Well I still consider it a dodge.
I did not ask you "Has any one been resurrected?"

I asked you IF anyone made such a claim, what characteristics of personality of such a claimant would you consider to look for in such a one?

Your dodge (imo) actually is saying you are jury rigging the matter upfront so that no one has ever or could ever make the claim.

Or put another way, you are saying that you know nobody HAS made the claim so personal charactistics would be irrelevant for a non-existent claimant.

And if my analysis you don't agree with, I still think you've made sure to AVOID having to even think about the possibility of someone ever would claim this.

I don't believe anyone has risen from the dead and so "personality characteristics" have nothing to do with it.


The claim could be made in the future. What personality characteristics would you consider important before considering its veracity? But I see you intend to avoid having to consider that altogether.

thanks anyway. I did learn something.

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@sonship said
I asked you IF anyone made such a claim, what characteristics of personality of such a claimant would you consider to look for in such a one?
As I said, clearly, no dodge: "personality characteristics" have nothing to do with it.

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The claim could be made in the future. What personality characteristics would you consider important before considering its veracity?
"Personality characteristics" would have nothing to do with it. You're flogging a dead rhetorical gimmick.

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@sonship said
But I see you intend to avoid having to consider that altogether.
I haven't "avoided" having to consider it. I have considered your question and answered it. No avoidance. No dodge.

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And if my analysis you don't agree with, I still think you've made sure to AVOID having to even think about the possibility of someone ever would claim this.
Like I said, nobody's "personality characteristics" are relevant. I am not avoiding thinking. I am not avoiding answering.

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The claim could be made in the future IF you think no claim has been made in the past.

You are saying you are so above even thinking about the possibility that you would not give even a second to consider what is the person like who will make such a claim.

You are going to circumvent even having to think about the personal characteristics of such a claimant.

Okay, try this one:
If someone would claim to have figured out how to solve the economic problems of you country, what personal characteristics would you want to see in them before you would even entertain their claim?

Personal characteristics irrelevant here also ?

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If someone would claim to have figured out how to solve the economic problems of you country, what personal characteristics would you want to see in them before you would even entertain their claim?
Someone claiming to know how to solve the economic problems of a country is not analogous to someone making claims about supernatural beings and phenomena. Your analogy is a complete dud. If you want do discuss how to solve the economic problems of a country, start a thread on the Debates Forum.

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@sonship said
You are saying you are so above even thinking about the possibility that you would not give even a second to consider what is the person like who will make such a claim.
I am not saying I am "above" anything. I have not "avoided considering the question". Indeed, I have answered it head on.

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You are going to circumvent even having to think about the personal characteristics of such a claimant.
I am not "circumventing having to think" about what you asked me. Nothing of the sort.

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@FMF

Your excuse is a dud.

Basically you are making a David Hume like argument in the impossibility of a miracle period. So no further consideration is necessary.

Okay, let's say it is a SCIENTIFIC matter.
A scientist claims to have discovered a way to bring back to life a dead person.

You don't have to believe at all.
What personal characteristics in such a scientist claiming this in say a paper, would you look for ?

Let me guess. You may say now that current scientific evidence is that such is impossible so personal characteristics would have nothing to do with it.

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What personal characteristics in such a scientist claiming this in say a paper, would you look for ?
This is not analagous to someone making claims about supernatural matters. Science is about empirical data, not "personality characteristics".

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You may say now that current scientific evidence is that such is impossible so personal characteristics would have nothing to do with it.
Scientific claims are about empirical data. Claims about supernatural things are about faith

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Basically you are making a David Hume like argument in the impossibility of a miracle period.
There is nothing stopping anyone from believing in miracles if that's where their speculation about supernatural things and their faith take them.

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If I ever start to believe that the supernatural revelations that any "revealed" religions claim to be based on, I will come here to this forum and announce it.

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