Why is everything in the Bible true and accurate?

(after the commercial break, Dive will come back with a retort that FMF helped him write)

[chase me chase me]

@divegeester said
[chase me chase me]

[I’m game, chase me]

@divegeester said
[I’m game, chase me]

@kellyjay said
One Being, three persons, Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, the Son took on humanity and went through everything He did for our salvation. God and the Father are one and the same, so crying out to God is no different than crying out to the Father. He wasn't crying out to Himself, which is why understanding the Trinity is essential.

Philippians 2:5-7
English Standard Version ...[text shortened]... be grasped, but emptied himself, by taking the form of a servant, being born in the likeness of men.

@ghost-of-a-duke said
The Trinity is illogical and an obvious retrofit to the Bible.

@kellyjay said
Why would it be illogical? Three persons, one being what is illogical about that? Three people, one person, would be illogical. Three persons one essence or Being, which is a Spiritual being, doesn't at all seem to fall apart logically. Even Biblically speaking, a husband and wife are called one, two physical people bound into a covenant relationship to exclude everyone else.

This truth isn't just a NT teaching.

@ghost-of-a-duke said
Wake up Kelly. The Trinity is profoundly illogical and a million miles from how the early Christians saw God. Take Matthew 3:16-17. Here we have all 3 parts of the Trinity interacting with each other as separate entities.

"As soon as Jesus was baptized, he went up out of the water. At that moment heaven was opened, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dov ...[text shortened]... e being what is illogical about that' and not see the absurdity of that statement is truly baffling.

@Ghost-of-a-Duke


There is proably nothing in the natural world which could serve as a suitale illustration of three-oneness.

I have thought about the Trinity a lot over the years. And lately it seems to make sense to me. What I mean is this:

That we creatures of time and space come into contact with God, something fundamentally incomprehensible se encounter. "But, HOW can God be One yet to us a Father and as Son and a Holy Spirit ?"

There is something about God as revealed in the Bible which - Though we can experience and enjoy Him, there is something fundamentally incomprehensible to our limited minds to fully grasp.

This is perhaps like beings existing on a two dimensional world encountering a being in another dimension of three aspects - something we simply cannot grasp.

No illustration in the natural world can do such a mystery justice.

@ghost-of-a-duke said
The fact you can casually say 'Three persons, one being what is illogical about that' and not see the absurdity of that statement is truly baffling.

Cont. with Ghost.


I've been playing around with an illusrtation lately from the novel "The Time Machine" by H G Wells.

The time traveler goes off to visit the world in the distant future.
Then he returns to tell the story to his friends.
In the end he goes off again to travel in time.
H.G. Wells doesn't tell us in the book where he went.

Suppose, like in the 1960 version of the movie, he returns to the future world of the Elois. Suppose he arrives at a time in which he had previously visited?
Then there would be TWO of him which is illogical and incompehensible to the Elois and to Weena his future friend.

He is one person in one dimension (his time).
Yet when he visits the future world he could conceiably appear as two or more of HIMSELF.

It is not a perfect illustration. I am sure you can locate holes in the logic. But I think with God the Father - Son - Holy Spirit we may be encountering something similar and quite uninvented by human imagination.

His life is without limitation.
And His manifestation to mankind appears to transcend our ability to comprehend according to all WE know about a living person.

But, we can commune with Him and have intimate fellowship with Him.

@sonship said
@Ghost-of-a-Duke


There is proably nothing in the natural world which could serve as a suitale illustration of three-oneness.

I have thought about the Trinity a lot over the years. And lately it seems to make sense to me. What I mean is this:

That we creatures of time and space come into contact with God, something fundamentally incomprehensible se encounter. ...[text shortened]... we simply cannot grasp.

No illustration in the natural world can do such a mystery justice.

@ghost-of-a-duke said
Wake up Kelly. The Trinity is profoundly illogical and a million miles from how the early Christians saw God. Take Matthew 3:16-17. Here we have all 3 parts of the Trinity interacting with each other as separate entities.

"As soon as Jesus was baptized, he went up out of the water. At that moment heaven was opened, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dov ...[text shortened]... e being what is illogical about that' and not see the absurdity of that statement is truly baffling.

@divegeester

Still there. Amazingg. I checked Romans 10:9,10 is still there.

Follow me around to the next ten threads and ask me this twenty five more times so I can check if it STILL says -

"That if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord abd believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you . . . . will be saved.

or sith the heart there is believing unto righteousness, and with the mouth there is confgession unto salvation."

I think one who confesses Jesus as their highest Lord and believes that God raised this their Lord Jesus from the dead, is pretty far along the way to accepting the Lord and His Father even if they are not conversant on the three-oneness of God.

God raised their Lord Jesus from the dead.
You have there at least a belief in the Father and the Son.
And if you add to that that no one can say Jesus is Lord except in the Holy Spirit - all three are involved in his being saved, whether he is conversant on one or another presentation of a doctrinal statment on the triune God.