@kellyjay saidThis mini rant by you is just another unpunctuated, no paragraphs, slab of opinionated stick-it-in-your-pipe-and-smoke-it faith speak.
I believe it is the word of God, and the Church has accepted the books in the Bible since they were written. They have witnesses in history that back them up, the books being written throughout ~1500 years, in multiple languages and places covering several topics referring to each other. The content of scripture in the NT, had you watched the link has some surprising details ...[text shortened]... parts of it.
You suggest only some of them are true, or parts of them are not. Explain yourself!
I’m asking for evidence, extra biblical or even some specific biblical scripture which concisely and precisely tells me that everything in the bible is true and accurate, even that I’d consider.
It doesn’t exist, it’s opinion, your personal opinion.
And on man’s opinion is built some of the worst violent excess of the human imagination.
18 Feb 22
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This mini rant by you is just another unpunctuated, no paragraphs, slab of opinionated stick-it-in-your-pipe-and-smoke-it faith speak.
I’m asking for evidence, extra biblical or even some specific biblical scripture which concisely and precisely tells me that everything in the bible is true and accurate, even that I’d consider.
It doesn’t exist, it’s opinion, your ...[text shortened]... opinion.
And on man’s opinion is built some of the worst violent excess of the human imagination.
I am not the one who only accept bit’s and pieces of the Word. Taking things said to you as faith speech is a brainless dodge you are using.
@kellyjay saidSure I am, I admit I am and I can stand up and give you reasons why.
I am not the one who only accept bit’s and pieces of the Word. Taking things said to you as faith speech is a brainless dodge you are using.
You hold a different hardline position that everything in the bible is true, accurate, literal. But you have no evidence to support that. Not even anything conclusive from the bible itself.
18 Feb 22
@divegeester saidI gave reasoning you did not accept what I said neither did you address the points I brought up, it was lumped together and dismissed out of hand.
Sure I am, I admit I am and I can stand up and give you reasons why.
You hold a different hardline position that everything in the bible is true, accurate, literal. But you have no evidence to support that. Not even anything conclusive from the bible itself.
Neither have you given cause on how you accept some parts and reject others. I can see how one might out of hand accept or deny the whole. You are just all over the place with no reason for anything other than your personal opinion for any of it being good or bad.
So for you to question anyone without clarification on how you do it your opinion is worse than someone who rejects the whole in my opinion.
@kellyjay saidI asked for evidence not your personal reasoning. I am already aware that you have constructed a frame of personal reasoning which a permits you to abandon your inner moral compass.
I gave reasoning you did not accept what I said neither did you address the points I brought up, it was lumped together and dismissed out of hand.
Neither have you given cause on how you accept some parts and reject others. I can see how one might out of hand accept or deny the whole. You are just all over the place with no reason for anything other than your personal opi ...[text shortened]... arification on how you do it your opinion is worse than someone who rejects the whole in my opinion.
What I’m asking you for is a scriptural construct which unequivocally describes the Bible as being entirely true and accurate. I’m asking you what is the demonstrable scriptural evidence for your believe in this matter.
What I didn’t need from you is a another block of feelings and inferences. Give me a sound, structured and referenced platform on which this assertion “the Bible is entirely true and entirely accurate” is built upon?
19 Feb 22
@divegeester saidIt is what it is, and it's been that for centuries, long before I was here. You are the one that only takes some books in it as good and some as bad. You take some books as good and only accept some verses in them and reject others out of hand. There is nothing about how you view scriptures that is consistent, and your rationale has nothing to do demonstrable scriptural evidence, only your moral compass; you look at the Bible decide what parts you like and accept those, which means what is there when you are done with it, is you.
I asked for evidence not your personal reasoning. I am already aware that you have constructed a frame of personal reasoning which a permits you to abandon your inner moral compass.
What I’m asking you for is a scriptural construct which unequivocally describes the Bible as being entirely true and accurate. I’m asking you what is the demonstrable scriptural evidence f ...[text shortened]... d platform on which this assertion “the Bible is entirely true and entirely accurate” is built upon?
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@divegeester saidWhat do you use to handpick passages that you like and discount others? This has been asked of you more than once now.
We there it finally is, the best argument you can come up with to support the premise that everything in the bible is true and accurate…
“It is what it is, and has been for centuries”
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Why does everything which is written in the Bible have be taken as being absolute truth, morally right, totally accurate etc?
This is a serious honest question.
Doubts are allowed.
You are not suggersting, I hope, that from the fgirst second one decides he wants to know God the Bible speaks of doubts are forbidden about anything in the sixty six books of the Bible.
I believe in honesty in prayer. And if one cannot believe something he should pour out his heart before the loving Father about it.
Doesn't the book fo Psalms or the book of Job portray men coming to God saying "God, what about THIS ? "
I don't see a demand that a believer cannot have doubt or something not understood. Walking with the enlightement that we have, I think, important.
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Now you said you had an honest question.
Now I have an honest one for you.
Do you think that it is POSSIBLE that the ONE God could say both of these things.
King James Bible - Psalm 103:13
Like as a father pitieth his children, so the LORD pitieth them that fear him.
King James Bible - Luke 12:5
But I will forewarn you whom ye shall fear: Fear him, which after he hath killed hath power to cast into hell; yea, I say unto you, Fear him.
Do you think that the same God could have spoken both things?
Or do you think the two sayings are mutually inclusive - if He said one then He could not have possibly said the other?
20 Feb 22
@kellyjay saidAnd I have answered you every single time. I use my personal moral compass, the reasoning the lord has given me and other biblical principles.
What do you use to handpick passages that you like and discount others? This has been asked of you more than once now.
What do you use?
@sonship saidOk…I’ve asked the same question maybe 25 times in this thread and no you have finally plucked up the courage to join in I’ll ask you too…
@divegeester
Doubts are allowed.
How do you know that everything in the bible is true and accurate?
20 Feb 22
@divegeester saidWhere's your evidence the scriptures aren't inerrant, infallible and immutable?
I asked for evidence not your personal reasoning.