‘Eternal suffering’ is nonsensical

Originally posted by @dj2becker
Assuming God was intrinsically good would He ever be able to love evil or would He hate it?

Your point is good.
And God came in Christ and bore the sins of sinners.

He went as far as He could go to save us from transgressions against His law.

As far as it is possible for us to understand, God in Jesus Christ laid down everything in sacrifice for our justification.

He "SO loved the world ...that He gave His only-begotten Son" (John 3:16) .
He was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself.

"Namely, that God in Christ was reconciling the world to Himself, not accounting their offenses to them,

and has put in us the word of reconciliation." (2 Cor. 5:19)

Originally posted by @deepthought
Apparently, since a universal ancestor ate an apple we can make the call, which seems to me to leave us with the responsibility to do so.

Some make that call, yes, and some get it disastrously wrong, because we are human, and we err. We do not have the "responsibility" to get it wrong. This is why we are told not to judge; unfortunately, some cannot resist.

Originally posted by @fmf
You said that Rajk999 is "being used by demons" and involved in "demonic activity". Are there any other Christian posters on this forum apart from Rajk999 who you believe are "being used by demons"?

I am not sure Rajk999 is even a Christian to begin with.
Now he says regeneration is wrong (explicit deleted).

Why do you want me to list numbers and names of Christians I think are being being used by unclean spirits?

Does that serve well some desire you have to see me as very sectarian ?

It sounds like one of your greatest rationales to be an Atheist is that readers of the Bible may have strong disagreements.

I'd like to know if across the board you always adopt such a philosophy. Where there are disagreements, you totally avoid belief in those things debated.

Are you going to give up music altogether then?
How about chess?, food?, occupations?, education in general?

Or is it only Jesus Christ and God you give up on because there are debates on some biblical matters?

Originally posted by @rajk999

Anyone can walk in the spirit. Walking in the spirit just means to do as Jesus Christ commanded. Many people do it .. particularly nonChristians.

We have Apostle John inform us:

"But as many as received Him, to them He gave the authority to become children of God, to those who believe into His name.

Who were begotten not of blood nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God." (John 1:12,13)

The New Testament says that as many as RECEIVED Him, to them He gave authority to be children of God, to those who believe into His name (John 1:12) .

You logic runs like this -
"No, some who say they received Him don't act right like me. So the verse is not true. Whether they receive Him or do NOT receive Him, it makes no difference. The Atheists are also granted the authority to become one of the children of God even though they definitely do not believe into His name."

This is just your legalist self righteousness on steroids.

Originally posted by @sonship
Why do you want me to list numbers and names of Christians I think are being being used by unclean spirits?

You've pointed the figure and named Rajk999. Are there any other Christians here that you think are involved in "demonic activity", or is it a secret?

Originally posted by @sonship
I am not sure Rajk999 is even a Christian to begin with.
Now he says regeneration is wrong (explicit deleted).

Why do you want me to list numbers and names of Christians I think are being being used by unclean spirits?

Does that serve well some desire you have to see me as very sectarian ?

It sounds like one of your greatest rationales to ...[text shortened]... it only Jesus Christ and God you give up on because there are debates on some biblical matters?

Christians of the world are a different breed from the Christians who preach the doctrine of Christ. You are a World Christian, I follow Christ. So you are correct in that I am not a Christian like you are.

You will notice that every disagreement we have, I take the side of what Christ preached while to take some other doctrine.

Regeneration :
Jesus said it will take place when he comes.
You say you are already regenerated

Salvation -
Jesus said to do good works and live righteously.
You say profess with your mouth your faith and you are saved. Good works are not required.

Souls
Jesus says they can be destroyed by God
You say they are eternal.

So Im in agreement. Im not a Christian.

Originally posted by @sonship
I'd like to know if across the board you always adopt such a philosophy. Where there are disagreements, you totally avoid belief in those things debated.

Well, I am not a Christian, nor am I a Muslim or a Jew, or a Hindu for that matter. What do the disagreements among the adherents of Islam, Judaism and Hinduism have to do with the fact that I am not an adherent of those religions?

Originally posted by @sonship
Are you going to give up music altogether then? How about chess?, food?, occupations?, education in general? Or is it only Jesus Christ and God you give up on because there are debates on some biblical matters?

What kind of ridiculous deflection is this?

It sounds like one of your greatest rationales to be an Atheist is that readers of the Bible may have strong disagreements.

In which of my posts on this forum did I make this claim? Please quote me. You are just making stuff up, sonship.

Originally posted by @sonship

Anyone can walk in the spirit. Walking in the spirit just means to do as Jesus Christ commanded. Many people do it .. particularly nonChristians.

We have Apostle John inform us:
[quote] [b] "But as many as received Him, to them He gave the authority to become children of God, to those who believe into His name.

Who were begotten not ...[text shortened]... ly do not believe into His name."

This is just your legalist self righteousness on steroids.

You say and your teachers say those things.

Jesus said something different:

.. the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life. But there are some of you that believe not. .. Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father. (John 6:63-65 KJV)

Jesus words / commandments is spirit and is life.
His teachings give life and he means life eternal
Some [like you] dont believe that. It is God who calls people to come to Christ.
Coming to Christ is the realisation that a life of good works and righteous living is what is important.
It is not about going to church and doing pointless bible study.

If you end up with going to church and mouth worship then you are not called of God.
Those who do good works and live righteously are called of God.
Those who DO are head and shoulders above those who believe with their mouth.
Those who DO please God, while those who talk only without doing are doomed.

Originally posted by @rajk999

You say and your teachers say those things.

Which one of "my teachers" wrote this ?
Who do we blame?

"But as many as received Him, to them He gave the authority to become children of God, to those who believe into His name.

Who were begotten not of blood nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God." (John 1:12,13)

It says as may as received Him.
It says they were begotten of God.

You say "begotten of God" is not necessary.
And you say as many as did good works whether believers or not.

Which of my teachers should I blame for writing John 1:12,13 ?

Originally posted by @fmf
What kind of ridiculous deflection is this?

[b]It sounds like one of your greatest rationales to be an Atheist is that readers of the Bible may have strong disagreements.

In which of my posts on this forum did I make this claim? Please quote me. You are just making stuff up, sonship.[/b]

What kind of ridiculous deflection is this?
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What kind of ludicrous dodge is this ??

It sounds like one of your greatest rationales to be an Atheist is that readers of the Bible may have strong disagreements.

You're the one constantly asking "Who else? Who else?"


In which of my posts on this forum did I make this claim? Please quote me. You are just making stuff up, sonship.

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You've done it twice lately.
Ie. In essence you keep asking - "Who else Christian would you list as on your bad side?"

Sorry, Mr. Oh-So-Innocent-Always.
Sorry, Mr. Who ME??

Yes you. Bigotry disguised in just about all your objective sounding inquiries.

Originally posted by @sonship
It sounds like one of your greatest rationales to be an Atheist is that readers of the Bible may have strong disagreements.

Quote the exact post please.

Originally posted by @sonship
What kind of ludicrous dodge is this ??

You said this... "Are you going to give up music altogether then? How about chess?, food?, occupations?, education in general? Or is it only Jesus Christ and God you give up on because there are debates on some biblical matters?" ... in answer to my question about your allegations of "demonic activity" in this community. You are deflecting and dodging.

Originally posted by @rajk999

If you end up with going to church and mouth worship then you are not called of God.

I don't "go to church" in that usual sense. I am a part of the church.

And you haven't identified what is wrong with using the human mouth to worship God.

Those who do good works and live righteously are called of God.

Offering up "the sacrifice of praise" (Hebrews 13:15) with the mouth is not ALSO a good work desired by God?

Those who DO are head and shoulders above those who believe with their mouth.

The Bible speaks against vain mouthing.
The Bible doesn't teach ALL worship involving the mouth is vain.

That's your perversion.

Those who DO please God, while those who talk only without doing are doomed.

Only ONE pleases God - His Son.
So man needs to receive Him, abide in Him, live into Him, by Him, allowing Him to live and flow out of one's being.

Go learn what this means,

"My hear overflows with a good matter,
I speak what I have composed concerning the King.

My tongue is the pen of a ready writer. (Psalm 45:1)

Originally posted by @sonship

You say and your teachers say those things.

Which one of "my teachers" wrote this ?
Who do we blame?

[quote] [b] "But as many as received Him, to them He gave the authority to become children of God, to those who believe into His name.

Who were begotten not of blood nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. ...[text shortened]... ther believers or not.

Which of my teachers should I blame for writing [b]John 1:12,13 ?[/b]

You and your teachers are to be blamed for wilfully misinterpreting these passages.

Who the children of God?
Who will enter the Kingdom of God
Who are those who will see God?
Who are those who will get mercy from God?

Jesus answers:

Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
Blessed are they that mourn: for they shall be comforted.
Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth.
Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled. Blessed are the merciful: for they shall obtain mercy.
Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God.
Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God.
Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. (Matthew 5:3-10 KJV)

You and your teachers teach mouth worship namely profess your faith and thats all that is necessary.