‘Eternal suffering’ is nonsensical

Originally posted by @rajk999
What is bull is your constant insertion of words and phrases in these quotes.
Where did Paul say 'in their own strength'? Nowhere is the answer.

Ask a question relevant to the quote and I will reply.

They would obviously have to do in in their own strength if the spirit of Christ was not dwelling in them. You have two options: either overcoming the works of the flesh in your own strength or by walking in the spirit. So which is it? Or is there another option?

Originally posted by @dj2becker
They would obviously have to do in in their own strength if the spirit of Christ was not dwelling in them. You have two options: either overcoming the works of the flesh in your own strength or by walking in the spirit. So which is it? Or is there another option?

Now you take it upon yourself to declare who has the Spirit of Christ and who does not.
How do you know this?
Do you know what the Spirit of Christ means?
Clearly you do not neither did you read what I posted pertaining to that earlier.

Originally posted by @rajk999
Now you take it upon yourself to declare who has the Spirit of Christ and who does not.
How do you know this?
Do you know what the Spirit of Christ means?
Clearly you do not neither did you read what I posted pertaining to that earlier.

You said walking by the spirit simply means obeying the commands of Christ and anyone can do it. But that is not true because if anyone could do it Jesus would not have to die on the cross because anyone could already overcome the flesh. When Jesus said he would send the comforter what was He talking about?

Originally posted by @dj2becker
You said walking by the spirit simply means obeying the commands of Christ and anyone can do it. But that is not true because if anyone could do it Jesus would not have to die on the cross because anyone could already overcome the flesh. When Jesus said he would send the comforter what was He talking about?

Another soul lost in the foolishness of Christianity ... sad.

Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
Blessed are they that mourn: for they shall be comforted.
Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth.
Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled.
Blessed are the merciful: for they shall obtain mercy.
Blessed are the pure in heart: for the shall see God. Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God. (Matthew 5:3-9 KJV)

Anyone can do it.

You dont understand the reason for God sending Christ.

Originally posted by @divegeester
- Jesus knocking on the door of a sinners heart calls out: “let me in”

- Sinner replies: “why?”

- Jesus persists: “so I can save you”

- Sinner is inquisitive: “save me from what?”

- Jesus closes: “from what I’ll do to you in hell if you don’t let me in”

😕

If eternal suffering is nonsensical why then do you keep posting about this at RHP?

From Vine's Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words [My bolding]

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Regeneration
#3824 — Noun Feminine — palingenesia — pal-ing-ghen-es-ee'-ah ) "new birth" (palin, "again," genesis, "birth"😉, is used of "spiritual regeneration," Titus 3:5 , involving the communication of a new life, the two operating powers to produce which are "the word of truth," James 1:18 ;

Washing
see above), is used metaphorically of the Word of God, as the instrument of spiritual cleansing, Ephesians 5:26 ; in Titus 3:5 , of "the washing of regeneration" (see REGENERATION). In the Sept., Song of Song of Solomon 4:2 ; 6:6 .

Vincent's Word Studies (regeneration in Matt. 19:28)

Matthew 19:28 — Have followed“Peter had said together the words we have left, we have followed. Jesus replies to them separately; for the latter was peculiar to the apostles, the former common to them with others” (Bengel).In the regenerationThe final restitution of all things. To be construed with ye shall sit. Shall sit ( καθίσῃ )Or shall have taken his seat, which brings out more vividly the solemn inauguration of Christ's judgment.

Vincent on 1 Pet. 1:6 [My bolding]

Hath begotten us again ( ἀναγεννήσας ἡμᾶς )

The verb is used by Peter only, and by him only here and 1 Peter 1:23. It is in the aorist tense, and should be rendered, as Rev., begat; because regeneration is regarded as a definite historical act accomplished once for all, or possibly because Peter regards the historical act of Christ's resurrection as virtually effecting the regeneration. The latter sentiment would be Pauline, since Paul is wont to speak of Christians as dying and rising with Christ. Romans 7:4; Romans 6:8-11.

Originally posted by @whodey to divegeester
If eternal suffering is nonsensical why then do you keep posting about this at RHP?

[1] Because it's nonsensical [2] it has its proponents (and opponents) here, and [3] this is a forum for debate and discussion.

Originally posted by @sonship
From [b]Vine's Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words [My bolding]

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Regeneration
#3824 — Noun Feminine — palingenesia — pal-ing-ghen-es-ee'-ah ) "new birth" (palin, "again," genesis, "birth"😉, is used of "spiritual regenerati ...[text shortened]... wont to speak of Christians as dying and rising with Christ. Romans 7:4; Romans 6:8-11.

Vine, Vincent , Lee and Nee .... hope these jokers give you eternal life because you sure have them up on a pedestal while you pay lip service to Christ.

Christ said it will happen only when he returns. Hard luck.

Originally posted by @rajk999
Vine, Vincent , Lee and Nee .... hope these jokers give you eternal life because you sure have them up on a pedestal while you pay lip service to Christ.

Christ said it will happen only when he returns. Hard luck.

James speaking in the past tense also, says Christ brought forth the believers prior to the restoration of the millennium.

"He BROUGHT us forth by the word of truth, purposing that we might be a kind of firstfruits of His creatures." (James 1:18)

That is to be regenerated through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead. (1 Peter. 1:3) .

We thanks God for true teachers of the new covenant.

Originally posted by @rajk999
Another soul lost in the foolishness of Christianity ... sad.

Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
Blessed are they that mourn: for they shall be comforted.
Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth.
Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled.
Blessed a ...[text shortened]... ew 5:3-9 KJV)

Anyone can do it.

You dont understand the reason for God sending Christ.

The message of the cross is foolishness to those that are perishing.

Romans 3:19-28

Now we know that whatever the Law says, it says to those who are under the Law, so that every mouth may be silenced and the whole world held accountable to God. Therefore no one will be justified in His sight by works of the Law. For the Law merely brings awareness of sin.

But now, apart from the Law, the righteousness of God has been revealed, as attested by the Law and the Prophets. And this righteousness from God comes through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe. There is no distinction, for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, and are justified freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus.

God presented Him as an atoning sacrifice through faith in His blood, in order to demonstrate His righteousness, because in His forbearance He had passed over the sins committed beforehand. He did this to demonstrate His righteousness at the present time, so as to be just and to justify the one who has faith in Jesus.

Where, then, is boasting? It is excluded. On what principle? On that of works? No, but on that of faith. For we maintain that a man is justified by faith apart from works of the Law.

Originally posted by @rajk999

Now you take it upon yourself to declare who has the Spirit of Christ and who does not.
How do you know this?
Do you know what the Spirit of Christ means?

The Spirit of Christ is Christ in a form in which Christ can ENTER into a human being's spiritual being.

" And the Lord is the Spirit; and where the Spirit of the Lord is there is freedom." (2 Cor. 3:17)

Have you ever invited the Lord Jesus Christ INTO your heart ?
The Lord is the Spirit of the Lord.
The Lord is the Spirit.

When I say that you are probably not my brother in Christ, this has nothing to do with whether I like you or do not like you. It has to do with whether you have received that same divine life that IS the fellowship of the ones who share the Spirit of Christ.

Paul spoke to the Corinthians, some of which had problems in their Christian walk. "Don't you REALIZE that Jesus Christ is in you?"

Do you have this realization? You need this assurance that you have received Christ in His form as the Spirit of Christ.

"Test yourselves whether you are in the faith; prove yourselves. Or do you not realize about yourselves that Jesus Christ is in you, unless you are disapproved?" (2 Cor. 13:5)

Originally posted by @dj2becker
The message of the cross is foolishness to those that are perishing.

Romans 3:19-28

Now we know that whatever the Law says, it says to those who are under the Law, so that every mouth may be silenced and the whole world held accountable to God. Therefore no one will be justified in His sight by works of the Law. For the Law merely brings awareness o ...[text shortened]... on that of faith. For we maintain that a man is justified by faith apart from works of the Law.

Trying to convince yourself that your mouth worshiping doctrine is going to get you through?

Originally posted by @rajk999
Trying to convince yourself that your mouth worshiping doctrine is going to get you through?

You seem to be conflating faith with mouth worship, probably because you have no idea what real faith is. I have never claimed that mouth worship is all you need to be saved, in fact, I don't think anyone has. You are the only one who seems to claim that everyone believes that.

Originally posted by @divegeester

Jesus knocking on the door of a sinners heart calls out: “let me in”

- Sinner replies: “why?”

- Jesus persists: “so I can save you”

- Sinner is inquisitive: “save me from what?”

- Jesus closes: “from what I’ll do to you in hell if you don’t let me in”

Before there was a problem involving the need for redemption and justification from sins God already had an eternal purpose to come into man.

This is conveyed to us by showing the first created man being put before "the tree of life" .

This "tree of life" representing the uncreated and eternal Divine Person Who can come into man to be united with man.

We should not think that Christ's desire to come into us is only remedial and to save us from judgment. Had judgment not been an issue at all, God planned that He would come into man just as food come into man to become a part of him.

"You are what you eat" say the nutritionists.

Originally posted by @sonship

Now you take it upon yourself to declare who has the Spirit of Christ and who does not.
How do you know this?
Do you know what the Spirit of Christ means?

The [b]Spirit of Christ is Christ in a form in which Christ can ENTER into a human being's spiritual being.

" And the Lord is the Spirit; and where the Spirit ...[text shortened]... yourselves that Jesus Christ is in you, unless you are disapproved?" (2 Cor. 13:5)

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Personal comments about you or me, I dont care for, thank you. This discussion is about who has the spirit of Christ. If you can focus on that it would be nice but I suspect that you lack that ability. The brother in Christ part, I only responded to you because you started saying that I am not your brother. I dont care whether you are or not because Jesus is the judge of that.

Christians would like to believe that only Christians have this 'spirit of Christ'. That notion however is completely false.

Jesus said that His Spirit are His teachings and his commandments, and it is this which gives life eternal. All people who follow His commandments have this spirit in them.

Christians would like to think that when they profess their faith in Christ they automatically live righteously and do good works. One only needs to look at these professed Christians to see that that is nonsense.