‘Eternal suffering’ is nonsensical

Originally posted by @sonship
You cannot make it.
You should have no confidence that you can apart from another life coming into you.

The very FIRST requirement of the kingdom people is to be [b]"poor in spirit".

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[quote] "And opening His mouth, He taught them, saying,

Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of the heavens." (Matt. 5 ...[text shortened]... equirement the kingdom people is to realize that they are NOT rich, capable, able IN THEMSELVES.

Never said I am rich. Where you get that from I dont know .. neither do I care really. Again this discussion is about a particular matter of doctrine. Not about me or you.

You fail to understand the teachings of Christ, or rather maybe you do understand but you are so hell bent on twisting it that you resort to any ploy which result in you escaping the requirement of doing any good works or following the commandments of Christ.

'Poor in spirit' does not mean one needs to proclaim that he is helpless at all. Where you get this foolishness is baffling.

So according to you, Christ commanded people to proclaim that they cannot do anything and have no confidence that they can do anything, and then he proceeds to give them a long list of things to do? Really ? Plus nowhere in that long discourse in Matt 5, 6 and 7 does he tell people that the must have another life coming into them?

It is no wonder that Christianity is in shambles and full of greedy, lazy, self centered, arrogant crooks.

Originally posted by @sonship
I checked my Bible. Whatever you say it still says that whoever's name was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire...

The Scripture stillsays what it says...

No it doesn’t, it is YOUR interpretation.

Jesus loved the woman you were talking, you say he loved her so much that he died for her...that’s what you said.

Then in the next breath you support this incredulous notion that this same Jesus who LOVED her so much will personally torture her with flames for eternity.

Tell me sonship if you LOVED someone that much would you then torture them for eternity if they rejected you?

Can you honestly not see how utterly utterly nonsensical, amoral, and incoherent this teaching is?

Originally posted by @rajk999

You fail to understand the teachings of Christ, or rather maybe you do understand but you are so hell bent on twisting it that you resort to any ploy which result in you escaping the requirement of doing any good works or following the commandments of Christ.

Lies.
Since the NT says that the saved were created in Christ Jesus to walk in good works, I of course believe it is important to walk in them.

For by grace you have been saved through faith, and this not of yourselves; it is the gift of God."

Not finished YET. Read on.

Not of works that no one should boast. For we are His masterpiece, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand in order that we would walk in them." (Eph. 2:8-10)

So you are lying about my teaching as usual.
The "good works" were prepared to we should walk in them.

I just acknowledge that the power and grace have their source in Jesus Christ. Bearing false witness is a sin.

'Poor in spirit' does not mean one needs to proclaim that he is helpless at all. Where you get this foolishness is baffling.

You don't stay there. You move from their into praising that Jesus is everything you need.

It is no longer I that live but Christ that lives within me.
That is the goal.

Bearing false witness is a breaking of one of the commandments.

So according to you, Christ commanded people to proclaim that they cannot do anything and have no confidence that they can do anything, and then he proceeds to give them a long list of things to do? Really ? Plus nowhere in that long discourse in Matt 5, 6 and 7 does he tell people that the must have another life coming into them?

Christ said that apart from abiding in Him we can do nothing.
Read about it in John 15.


Bearing false witness requires a man be cleansed in the precious blood of Christ for his sin.

It is not wonder that Christianity is in shambles and full of greedy, lazy, self centered, arrogant crooks.

You should feel right at home.
In judging others you condemn yourself.

Read about the condemnation of anyone who judges in Romans 2:1-16.

Paul said that he and his co-workers had NO CONFIDENCE in the flesh as they served God in the Spirit.

"Beware of dogs, beware of the evil workers, beware of the concision.

For we are the circumcision, the ones who serve by the Spirit of God and boast in Christ Jesus and have no confidence in the flesh, ..." (Phil. 3:2,3)

We believers do not boast in our weaknesses and STOP THERE..
We believers boast in Christ Jesus.

Originally posted by @sonship

You fail to understand the teachings of Christ, or rather maybe you do understand but you are so hell bent on twisting it that you resort to any ploy which result in you escaping the requirement of doing any good works or following the commandments of Christ.

Lies.
Since the NT says that the saved were created in Christ Jesus to walk in ...[text shortened]... e believers do not boast in our weaknesses and STOP THERE..
We believers boast in Christ Jesus.

More bull .. you are full of it.

Originally posted by @rajk999
More bull .. you are full of it.

It’s a defence/distraction/deflection technique.

It takes several minutes to filter/edit all the waffle out to get to any possible nugget of actual interest.

Originally posted by @divegeester
It’s a defence/distraction/deflection technique.

It takes several minutes to filter/edit all the waffle out to get to any possible nugget of actual interest.

Hot air. Not interested in that. Christ was clear... regeneration takes place when he returns. Nothing can contradict that.

Originally posted by @divegeester
No it doesn’t, it is YOUR interpretation.

Jesus loved the woman you were talking, you say he loved her so much that he died for her...that’s what you said.

Then in the next breath you support this incredulous notion that this same Jesus who LOVED her so much will personally torture her with flames for eternity.

Tell me sonship if you LOVED s ...[text shortened]... n you honestly not see how utterly utterly nonsensical, amoral, and incoherent this teaching is?

God doesn't torture anyone.
God doesn't make anyone happy.
God, simply, is God.
Heaven is union with God.
Hell is separation from God.
Our faith saves us from separation from God.
Separation from God is self-inflicted.


If your loved one wished to kill themselves, would you restrain them--- knowing they will continue trying?

Originally posted by @freakykbh
God doesn't torture anyone.
God doesn't make anyone happy.
God, simply, is God.
Heaven is union with God.
Hell is separation from God.
Our faith saves us from separation from God.
Separation from God is self-inflicted.


If your loved one wished to kill themselves, would you restrain them--- knowing they will continue trying?

First, I’d seek to understand why.

I’d have to base my further actions on that.

Originally posted by @freakykbh
God doesn't torture anyone.
God doesn't make anyone happy.
God, simply, is God.
Heaven is union with God.
Hell is separation from God.
Our faith saves us from separation from God.
Separation from God is self-inflicted.


If your loved one wished to kill themselves, would you restrain them--- knowing they will continue trying?

I bet you can find nowhere in the bible that says any of these things:

God doesn't torture anyone.
God doesn't make anyone happy.
God, simply, is God.
Heaven is union with God.
Hell is separation from God.
Our faith saves us from separation from God.
Separation from God is self-inflicted.

Lets see how many you can find. Please show one quote per statement.
Dont quote BS passages that mean nothing like you are famous for.

The truths of the Bible often find there initial form in the book of Genesis.

Cain was the first to complain that his punishment was too great for him to bear. He did not consider his murder of his brother too great for Abel to suffer. But concerning himself, he complained to God that the verdict against him was too great for him to suffer.

"You will be a fugative and a wanderer on the earth.

And Cain said to Jehovah, My punishment is greater than I can bear." (Genesis 4:11b,12)

Here in "seed" form we see the sinner's typical accusation against God. God's punishment is out of proportion to his offence.

It must be that eternal punishment is in proportion to the eternal sin (Mark 3:28-30) of believing the sinless One Who died under the divine judgment for one's guilty sins is an evil One not to be believed, forever.

"But the cowardly and unbelieving and abominable and murderers and fornicators and sorcerers and idolaters and all false, their part will be in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death." (Rev. 21:8)

Originally posted by @sonship
The truths of the Bible often find there initial form in the book of [b]Genesis.

Cain was the first to complain that his punishment was too great for him to bear. He did not consider his murder of his brother too great for Abel to suffer. But concerning himself, he complained to God that the verdict against him was too great for him to suffer.
...[text shortened]... lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death." (Rev. 21:8) [/b] [/quote][/b]

Are you right in your head?
Do you read any of that garbage.
Nothing makes sense ... NOTHING.

Originally posted by @freakykbh
God doesn't torture anyone.
God doesn't make anyone happy.
God, simply, is God.
Heaven is union with God.
Hell is separation from God.
Our faith saves us from separation from God.
Separation from God is self-inflicted.


If your loved one wished to kill themselves, would you restrain them--- knowing they will continue trying?

Feel free to share your opinion on the eternal suffering doctrine as soon as you feel able.

Originally posted by @sonship
The truths of the Bible often find there initial form in the book of [b]Genesis.

Cain was the first to complain that his punishment was too great for him to bear. He did not consider his murder of his brother too great for Abel to suffer. But concerning himself, he complained to God that the verdict against him was too great for him to suffer.
...[text shortened]... lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death." (Rev. 21:8) [/b] [/quote][/b]

I notice you avoided responding to my last reply to you.

Originally posted by @sonship
It must be that eternal punishment is in proportion to the eternal sin of believing the sinless One Who died under the divine judgment for one's guilty sins is an evil One not to be believed, forever.

What on Earth are you on about “eternal sin”?

You just make this stuff up don’t you.

Originally posted by @divegeester
No it doesn’t, it is YOUR interpretation.

Jesus loved the woman you were talking, you say he loved her so much that he died for her...that’s what you said.

Then in the next breath you support this incredulous notion that this same Jesus who LOVED her so much will personally torture her with flames for eternity.

Tell me sonship if you LOVED s ...[text shortened]... n you honestly not see how utterly utterly nonsensical, amoral, and incoherent this teaching is?

It is also YOUR interpretation that sonship’s interpretation is wrong. The difference is that his interpretation is supported by scripture and yours isn’t.