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Originally posted by @rajk999Jesus said that His Spirit are His teachings and his commandments, and it is this which gives life eternal. All people who follow His commandments have this spirit in them.
Personal comments about you or me, I dont care for, thank you. This discussion is about who has the spirit of Christ. If you can focus on that it would be nice but I suspect that you lack that ability. The brother in Christ part, I only responded to you because you started saying that I am not your brother. I dont care whether you are or not because Jesus i ...[text shortened]... o good works. One only needs to look at these professed Christians to see that that is nonsense.
Could you reference this with actual words of Jesus?
Christians would like to think that when they profess their faith in Christ they automatically live righteously and do good works. One only needs to look at these professed Christians to see that that is nonsense.
When it suits you, you have the ability to judge who lives righteously, and when it doesn't suit you only Jesus can judge.
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Jesus knocking on the door of a sinners heart calls out: “let me in”
- Sinner replies: “why?”
Christ is God coming to live in man according to an eternal purpose of God quite apart from the entrance of the problem of sin.
Adam being place before the tree of life in his state of innocence, neutrality, and being made "very good" was to receive God as eternal life.
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For God to make man in His own image and according to His own likeness was like the making of a glove in the form of a living human hand.
God made man in a manner so that God Himself could come into man to live a mingled, incorporated, united life with man.
Instead man became joined to Satan. Satan has a way of running ahead of God to counterfeit imitate what God has as His eternal plan.
My point here is that apart from the matter of sin, God planned to enter
into the vessel of humanity which was made to receive God Himself.
"And out of the ground Jehovah God caused to grow every tree that was good for food, as well as the tree of life in the middle of the garden
and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil." (Gen 2:9)
"And Jehovah God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden you may eat freely. But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat; for in the day that you eat of it you shall surely die." (2:16,17)
In his state of innocency God planned for man to receive the divine and eternal life of God.
Originally posted by @dj2beckerWhen have I stated that I know who lives righteously?
[b]Jesus said that His Spirit are His teachings and his commandments, and it is this which gives life eternal. All people who follow His commandments have this spirit in them.
Could you reference this with actual words of Jesus?
Christians would like to think that when they profess their faith in Christ they automatically live righteously ...[text shortened]... e the ability to judge who lives righteously, and when it doesn't suit you only Jesus can judge.
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Originally posted by @divegeester
- Jesus knocking on the door of a sinners heart calls out: “let me in”
- Sinner replies: “why?”
- Jesus persists: “so I can save you”
- Sinner is inquisitive: “save me from what?”
- Jesus closes: “from what I’ll do to you in hell if you don’t let me in”
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Jesus knocking on the door of a sinners heart calls out: “let me in”
- Sinner replies: “why?”
Before man was constituted with the sin nature and joined to the Devil, God created the innocent, neutral, and "very good" man to receive Himself as He presented God's life to man as "the tree of life".
We need to receive the eternal life of God that we may complete the very reason for which humanity was created.
We are incomplete without being joined "organically" with our Maker.
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Originally posted by @rajk999
When have I stated that I know who lives righteously?
Christians would like to think that when they profess their faith in Christ they automatically live righteously and do good works. One only needs to look at these professed Christians to see that that is nonsense.
How would you be able to see that is nonsense if you didn't have the ability to judge them?
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- Jesus persists: “so I can save you”
- Sinner is inquisitive: “save me from what?”
- Jesus closes: “from what I’ll do to you in hell if you don’t let me in”
Adam was to let God in, in the form of partaking of a mysterious "tree of life".
But there was the possibility that Adam would take in another "food" and be constituted with that matter. That source was a tree of death. That was "the tree of the knowledge of good and evil".
This brought man into union with God's enemy.
And immediately afterwards man now has a problem.
He cannot approach the holy, righteous, and glorious Creator as before.
He is corrupted with a foreign element. He is joined to the leader of all revolt and rebellion against truth, goodness, love, light, glory, and righteousness.
"And Jehovah God said, Behold, the man has become like one of Us, knowing good and evil; and now, lest he put forth his hand and take also from the tree of life and live forever -
Therefore Jehovah God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to work the ground from which he was taken.
So He drove the man out, and at the east of the garden of Eden He placed the cherubim and a flaming sword which turned in every direction to guard the way to the tree of life." (Gen. 3:22-24)
The beginnings of our race are not rooted in the natural. Our origins are rooted in the supernatural.
Originally posted by @dj2beckerI can see and judge for myself that there are both good and bad Christians. I thought you meant that I judge individuals here about whether they are righteous.Christians would like to think that when they profess their faith in Christ they automatically live righteously and do good works. One only needs to look at these professed Christians to see that that is nonsense.
How would you be able to see that is nonsense if you didn't have the ability to judge them?
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Originally posted by @rajk999You boast that anyone can keep the commandments of Jesus as He laid out Matthew 5 - 7 ?
I can see and judge for myself that there are both good and bad Christians. I thought you meant that I judge individuals here about whether they are righteous.
No you cannot.
Can you love your enemies?
Can you be slapped on one cheek and turn the other?
Can you refrain from looking at a woman in order to lust after her in your heart?
I think you cannot do any of these things.
That is unless you let Jesus Christ come into your heart and you live moment by moment fellowshipping with Him - contacting Him.
If someone insists that you walk a mile will you go two miles with him instead ? I don't think you can live like this.
This requires another LIFE. And you don't have it naturally. And neither do I. We can obtain such a life by receiving Jesus Christ and living in the realm and sphere of His presence.
Originally posted by @dj2beckerBad Christians pursue the works of the flesh:
How do you tell the difference between a good Christian and a bad Christian?
Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. (Galatians 5:19-21 KJV)
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Originally posted by @rajk999You cannot make it.
Bad Christians pursue the works of the flesh:
Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also tol ...[text shortened]... that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. (Galatians 5:19-21 KJV)
You should have no confidence that you can apart from another life coming into you.
The very FIRST requirement of the kingdom people is to be "poor in spirit".
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"And opening His mouth, He taught them, saying,
Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of the heavens." (Matt. 5:2,3)
Your attitude here has been " I am RICH. I can DO IT. "
The first requirement the kingdom people is to realize that they are NOT rich, capable, able IN THEMSELVES.
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The very first axiom about the kingdom of the heavens is that we must be "poor in spirit".
Why do some people loath to say "Lord Jesus. Come into my heart. Lord Jesus, I need Your saving. Be my Savior."
They loath to ask Jesus to come into them because they cannot be "poor in spirit".
They are rich and in need of nothing.
I was like this. I said to myself for years - "Just give me one more day. Tomorrow will be better. Tomorrow I will live right."
The first beatitude is so meaningful. Do not depend on your self effort.
You need the Lord Jesus.
"Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of the heavens." (Matt. 5:3)
This is not to be poor in spirit only initially to be born again.
This is to remain in a realization that you need Jesus Christ at every step onward as well.
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Jesus Christ is not liked by many because Jesus Christ leaves nothing for you to boast in in yourself.
Belief - you cannot brag in yourself.
Faith - you cannot brag in yourself.
Hope - you cannot brag in yourself.
Trust - you cannot brag in yourself.
Even LIFE - you cannot boast in what you have.
Once you understand the principle that God leaves fallen man NOTHING to boast of in himself, it is not hard to enjoy Jesus Christ as grace.
"Therefore be humbled under the mighty hand of God that He may exalt you in due time." (1 Peter 5:6)