23 Feb 08
Originally posted by RedmikeWhy would we invade a place where we keep a Naval Base at anyway? I bet Castro just can't stand Guantanamo being there on his crummy island. Tee-Hee. Anyone ever been there? Do the Cubans hang out at the gate and drool enviously over all the stuff we have? Do the GI's throw food scraps at them and watch them fight over them?
Which part are you disputing?
Best efforts, assasination attempts or invasion?
23 Feb 08
Originally posted by Sam The ShamYou're disputing that the US have invaded Cuba? You need to do some basic research.
Why would we invade a place where we keep a Naval Base at anyway? I bet Castro just can't stand Guantanamo being there on his crummy island. Tee-Hee. Anyone ever been there? Do the Cubans hang out at the gate and drool enviously over all the stuff we have? Do the GI's throw food scraps at them and watch them fight over them?
23 Feb 08
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Originally posted by RedmikeYeah yeah, I know, Bay of Pigs, blah blah. I didn't say that didn't happen. You like to put words in peoples mouths, don't you? You need to learn some basic manners.....and that wasn't the US military invading, if it had been, it would of been over.
You're disputing that the US have invaded Cuba? You need to do some basic research.
23 Feb 08
Originally posted by Sam The ShamAs I said 638 may not be true. And I wasn't just attempts it was plots and plans, and secondary courses of action. The point is the CIA definitely tried, unsuccessfully, to kill him quite a number of times, and had hundreds more contingency plans in place to kill him.
I just don't buy 638 assassination attempts. The person making the claim was Castro's personal security guard and would be likely to wildly exaggerate things for propaganda. I certainly can't see the CIA making public 638 tries at offing him. For that matter, I don't believe anybody in the CIA has the horsepower to just make a decision like that. Killin ...[text shortened]... o kill Castro. It's just ridiculous. It sounds like something Michael Moore would make up.
And as for propaganda, I hate to break it to you but communists and Nazis weren't the only ones to us it as a tool to control the minds of the public. Have you ever listened to your self speak?
23 Feb 08
Originally posted by MexicoNow you're starting to annoy me. Goodbye, we're done here.
As I said 638 may not be true. And I wasn't just attempts it was plots and plans, and secondary courses of action. The point is the CIA definitely tried, unsuccessfully, to kill him quite a number of times, and had hundreds more contingency plans in place to kill him.
And as for propaganda, I hate to break it to you but communists and Nazis weren't the on ...[text shortened]... us it as a tool to control the minds of the public. Have you ever listened to your self speak?
23 Feb 08
Originally posted by Sam The ShamYou said "Best efforts to invade or assasinate? That doesn't seem likely."
Yeah yeah, I know, Bay of Pigs, blah blah. I didn't say that didn't happen. You like to put words in peoples mouths, don't you? You need to learn some basic manners.....and that wasn't the US military invading, if it had been, it would of been over.
23 Feb 08
Originally posted by Mexico638 assassination attemps?
As I said 638 may not be true. And I wasn't just attempts it was plots and plans, and secondary courses of action. The point is the CIA definitely tried, unsuccessfully, to kill him quite a number of times, and had hundreds more contingency plans in place to kill him.
And as for propaganda, I hate to break it to you but communists and Nazis weren't the on ...[text shortened]... us it as a tool to control the minds of the public. Have you ever listened to your self speak?
The truth is that approx. 6 attemps were made by the CIA.
The rest were made by the KGB, and his own people.
F. GRANNY.
23 Feb 08
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Originally posted by smw6869I was actually aware of this, and looking back at other posts I never actually meant to say the USA was responsible for all of them, although I did, it was a mistake. My whole point wasn't that Castro or the US was right or wrong. Simply that he was quite a remarkable man. The point got shifted and I rose to the Bait. To make my point I blamed the US for them all, as an example that there are two sides to every story.
638 assassination attemps?
The truth is that approx. 6 attemps were made by the CIA.
The rest were made by the KGB, and his own people.
F. GRANNY.
Also 6 Attempts were made, but there were contingency plans for a lot more which were never attempted were there not?
23 Feb 08
Plus I love a good argument, just to see if people have any backing to what their saying or if there just chiming in because they think they know better than everyone else. Taking Castro side was a perfect opportunity for this because an awful lot of people think hes just another evil commie dictator without actually knowing s##t about the topic....
23 Feb 08
Originally posted by MexicoYou, sir are an honorable man. However, i would think that Shaka Zulz was a more remarkable man than Castro. Just my opinion.
I was actually aware of this, and looking back at other posts I never actually meant to say the USA was responsible for all of them, although I did, it was a mistake. My whole point wasn't that Castro or the US was right or wrong. Simply that he was quite a remarkable man. The point got shifted and I rose to the Bait. To make my point I blamed the US for the ...[text shortened]... ade, but there were contingency plans for a lot more which were never attempted were there not?
F. GRANNY.
23 Feb 08
Originally posted by smw6869Fixed....
You, sir are an honorable man. However, i would think that Shaka Zulu was a more remarkable man than Castro. Just my opinion.
F. GRANNY.
Shaka was really quite remarkable..... Again not exactly a nice guy but remarkable none the less. Its funny how history paints people, I'd like to see what the world has to say about Castro in 100 years....
23 Feb 08
Originally posted by MexicoHave you actually been to any communist country like Cuba or North Korea to see how the people live? Or spoken to anyone who had lived in such a country and gotton their views ?
Plus I love a good argument, just to see if people have any backing to what their saying or if there just chiming in because they think they know better than everyone else. Taking Castro side was a perfect opportunity for this because an awful lot of people think hes just another evil commie dictator without actually knowing s##t about the topic....
24 Feb 08
Originally posted by Rajk999Been in quite a few ex-Iron Curtain eastern block countries, Ukraine, Poland etc and yes I know how most of them feel about Russia. Also been to China and southeast Asia.
Have you actually been to any communist country like Cuba or North Korea to see how the people live? Or spoken to anyone who had lived in such a country and gotton their views ?
And yes communism obviously doesn't work in general, of this I am well aware.
My point wasn't that Cuba was an Ideal place to live.
My point was that Castro want simply a people killing evil communist with no morals, as a lot of people here seem to think, he actually did do quite a bit of good in the world. (literacy & education in cuba, troops fighting apartheid in Africa etc etc.) and was quite a remarkable person.
I just wanted to make people realize that there are 2 sides to everything. And that the Ideas they hold due to their understanding of a topic (via school or news or whatever) and the truth of the situation are rarely the same thing. People rarely actually research what they're saying and usually just spout crap
Also North Korea is communist in name alone. The man running the place is quite insane and has built a cult of personality around himself which a lot of the people seem to believe in.
24 Feb 08
Originally posted by MexicoI agree with most of what you said but consider this ...
Been in quite a few ex-Iron Curtain eastern block countries, Ukraine, Poland etc and yes I know how most of them feel about Russia. Also been to China and southeast Asia.
And yes communism obviously doesn't work in general, of this I am well aware.
My point wasn't that Cuba was an Ideal place to live.
My point was that Castro want simply a people killi ...[text shortened]... has built a cult of personality around himself which a lot of the people seem to believe in.
Would a 'remarkable' person with moral values
- remove the right of a country to vote
- supress freedom of speech and of the press
- oppress those with religious beliefs.
I live in a smaller Caribbean island and Cuba's education system is no better than ours. I have spoken to many Cubans and most of them dont like Castro and wish they can get out of Cuba. I think they are better judges than any of us.