Fascists on the streets of England

@Cliff-Mashburn said
Tell that to this Irish mother:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y69BzSiKbr4

I guess you missed the disclaimer at the beginning.

@divegeester said
Well that’s good to hear; my friend thought you had your head up your ass for a moment there.

See, your friend is much smarter than you. He or she obviously doesn’t swallow the Telegraph’s idiocy like you do. But relies on facts and figures.

@vivify said
Rioters tried to burn down a mosque, following misinformation. The stabbing suspect comes from a very religious and Christian family:

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/inside-religious-family-southport-suspect-33381466.amp

Let's see if these same rioters now try to burn down churches.

Seems to me that houses of worship should be made of less combustible materials.

@shavixmir said
See, your friend is much smarter than you. He or she obviously doesn’t swallow the Telegraph’s idiocy like you do. But relies on facts and figures.

Which newspapers would you recommend I read so that I can become more indoctrinated to your way of thinking?

@divegeester said
Which newspapers would you recommend I read so that I can become more indoctrinated to your way of thinking?

Stats from the UK government. Police reports.
Information from the central bureau of statistics (I don't know what the English equivellent is, probably the home office or something.

That's where you find information like: 82% of people in England and Wales are white. And Arabs fall under the category "Other".

It's not rocket science. It's look up the information instead of swalling what's shoved down your throat.

@shavixmir said
Stats from the UK government. Police reports.
Information from the central bureau of statistics (I don't know what the English equivellent is, probably the home office or something.

That's where you find information like: 82% of people in England and Wales are white. And Arabs fall under the category "Other".

It's not rocket science. It's look up the information instead of swalling what's shoved down your throat.

But I don’t swallow anything which is pushed down my throat and I don’t read the Telegraph (due to its paywall), The Mail or any other paper regularly. I do read the Guardian and economic publications. I also look at government statistics on immigration, crime and demographics. I also look at polling reports to gauge wider opinion. I use a pseudonym to join left and right wing groups on Facebook to understand differing points of view and I listen to friends of all political persuasions from all over the world via WhatsApp chat groups.

And yet I still disagree with much of your perspectives on the role of the EU, local and global immigration and social cohesion strategies.

@divegeester said
But I don’t swallow anything which is pushed down my throat and I don’t read the Telegraph (due to its paywall), The Mail or any other paper regularly. I do read the Guardian and economic publications. I also look at government statistics on immigration, crime and demographics. I also look at polling reports to gauge wider opinion. I use a pseudonym to join left and right ...[text shortened]... our perspectives on the role of the EU, local and global immigration and social cohesion strategies.

It's perfectly fine to disagree with me.

However, the statistics don't lie.
There is no major crime rise due to migration.
White kids being a minority in classrooms isn't a thing (with a few exceptions in inner-city schools).
The amount of "foreigners" in Britain (and most of Europe) isn't more than 18%.
Etc.

There is a lot of fear mongering.

@shavixmir said
It's perfectly fine to disagree with me.

However, the statistics don't lie.
There is no major crime rise due to migration.
White kids being a minority in classrooms isn't a thing (with a few exceptions in inner-city schools).
The amount of "foreigners" in Britain (and most of Europe) isn't more than 18%.
Etc.

There is a lot of fear mongering.

Crime in the UK isn’t measured, or at least not reported, by immigration and is certainly not calibrated by immigration over time.

It’s reported by demographic, ethnicity, age and crime type.

@shavixmir said
There is a lot of fear mongering.

Perhaps some people are concerned that they might get their throats slashed as suggested by Ricky Jones the Labour councillor who took to the street with a megaphone to declare it and was roundly cheered and applauded. But despite my invitations to discuss this no one seems to want to.

Strange that, isn’t it.

@divegeester said
Perhaps some people are concerned that they might get their throats slashed as suggested by Ricky Jones the Labour councillor who took to the street with a megaphone to declare it and was roundly cheered and applauded. But despite my invitations to discuss this no one seems to want to.

Strange that, isn’t it.

Emotions are based on reality. They are based on a perceived reality.

@divegeester said
Crime in the UK isn’t measured, or at least not reported, by immigration and is certainly not calibrated by immigration over time.

It’s reported by demographic, ethnicity, age and crime type.

Look at the figures then.

@shavixmir said
Look at the figures then.

You really are biased. Immigration and crime in Europe are positively correlated and the figures show this clearly. Stop trying to justify these African, Middle Eastern, Islamic criminals. They should be deported immediately or shot dead if caught in the act.

Violent crime is becoming common in Sweden, shocking residents of the famously placid Scandinavian nation, where horrific acts of violence have become “all too familiar,” according to Common Sense Media, part of a Swedish nonprofit organization.

Since 2018, Swedish authorities have recorded an estimated 500 bombings, while what they describe as gang shootings have become increasingly common. The country reported a record 124 homicides in 2020 and many residents were shocked in April when violent riots injured more than 100 police officers.

But Sweden’s crime spike is not an anomaly in Europe, as homicides have risen during the last decade across the European Union, from Hungary and Germany to Denmark and Finland. An analysis of EU and United Nations crime data by RealClearInvestigations shows that, as in Sweden, the broader crime wave is strongly correlated with immigration.

https://www.realclearinvestigations.com/articles/2022/12/01/europe_shows_a_clear_link_between_immigration_and_crime_-_like_the_one_the_us_seriously_downplays_867625.html

@Rajk999 said
You really are biased. Immigration and crime in Europe are positively correlated and the figures show this clearly. Stop trying to justify these African, Middle Eastern, Islamic criminals. They should be deported immediately or shot dead if caught in the act.

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One point, I just can’t be bothered answering your racist ramblings:

Germany murder/homicide rate for 2021 was 0.83, a 11.21% decline from 2020. Germany murder/homicide rate for 2020 was 0.94, a 25.24% increase from 2019. Germany murder/homicide rate for 2019 was 0.75, a 21.18% decline from 2018.

@shavixmir said
One point, I just can’t be bothered answering your racist ramblings:

Germany murder/homicide rate for 2021 was 0.83, a 11.21% decline from 2020. Germany murder/homicide rate for 2020 was 0.94, a 25.24% increase from 2019. Germany murder/homicide rate for 2019 was 0.75, a 21.18% decline from 2018.

Do like normal people who got facts and post the link so that we can read it ourselves. Nobody trusts you ... we are not friends.

@divegeester said
Crime in the UK isn’t measured, or at least not reported, by immigration and is certainly not calibrated by immigration over time.

It’s reported by demographic, ethnicity, age and crime type.

What these apologist for immigration do is rearrange and manipulate the figures, in order to show that it is not immigration that is the cause of the increased crime but POVERTY. Immigrants are poor, and it is the fault of the government / society. If they were not poor they wont commit crime, is their argument.