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@yo-its-me saidThe subject of this thread is “fascists on the streets of England” a topic which is tightly wed to “two tier policing” and “two tier justice” why don’t you want to talk about examples of that?
You want me to tell you what the Greens policy is?
I've be over this before.
I don't desire to repeat myself
Especially when you're not getting into the subject.
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@shavixmir saidI started another thread citing statistics which indicate a long-term rise in violent crime in the UK, and was told by more than one poster that it is entirely due to Muslim immigrants.
A Christian Welsh person from African descent stabbed loads of people at a doo for young kids. 3 died and many were injured.
The motive is unclear, but what I gather piecing things together, is that we’re talking about some sort of psychotic episode (well… duh.. who the fvck kills children&hellip😉.
As soon as it happened, extreme right-wing channels gave an Islamic name and ...[text shortened]... are attempting to burn mosques and hotels housing asylum seekers.
It’s not a very good scenario.
🙁
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@shavixmir saidObviously it isn't obvious to those rioting in the streets. They are acting out in the most childish way. It is very painful to watch civilised people trying to cope with their own local savages, let alone IS fanatics in Syria. Sometimes I think a lot of people are under-evolved for society ..... 🙁
Obviously it isn’t.
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@moonbus saidIt’s basically what “Yo It’s Me” said a page back: there’s a lot of poverty.
Obviously it isn't obvious to those rioting in the streets. They are acting out in the most childish way. It is very painful to watch civilised people trying to cope with their own local savages, let alone IS fanatics in Syria. Sometimes I think a lot of people are under-evolved for society ..... 🙁
The government cut back on all services, there’s a lack of housing, etc. So people are very frustrated and angry. They see no way out.
And populists make good use of that anger and fear and so immigrants get blamed. Or Moslims. Or gays. Or Jews. Choose your target.
And the solution isn’t sending boats back to France or sending refugees to Ruwanda.
The answer is: jobs, houses, education, health service… opening up creativity, seeing the world in a larger picture… removing the need for fear.
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@shavixmir saidThis was so clear in the last election cycle in the UK. The Tories had 14 years in power to put things right, and the previous PM, Sunak, was pathetically claiming they were just about ready to turn the corner on the social issues they themselves had created in the previous 14 years. They made the mess, now they're sleeping in it.
It’s basically what “Yo It’s Me” said a page back: there’s a lot of poverty.
The government cut back on all services, there’s a lack of housing, etc. So people are very frustrated and angry. They see no way out.
And populists make good use of that anger and fear and so immigrants get blamed. Or Moslims. Or gays. Or Jews. Choose your target.
And the solution isn’t se ...[text shortened]... th service… opening up creativity, seeing the world in a larger picture… removing the need for fear.
@shavixmir saidThat goes both ways.
It’s basically what “Yo It’s Me” said a page back: there’s a lot of poverty.
The government cut back on all services, there’s a lack of housing, etc. So people are very frustrated and angry. They see no way out.
And populists make good use of that anger and fear and so immigrants get blamed. Or Moslims. Or gays. Or Jews. Choose your target.
And the solution isn’t se ...[text shortened]... th service… opening up creativity, seeing the world in a larger picture… removing the need for fear.
Migrants from poverty-stricken nations will bring social problems. War-torn nations like Syria or gang-ridden areas like in Central America naturally result in populations with societal ills. Those problems don't immediately disappear once such immigrants move to wealthier nations.
You're correct that economic downturn can feed into scapegoating immigrants or minorities. But poverty impacts populations in profound ways, including mental health issues. Immigrants do bring problems with them.
However, the same nations experiencing an influx in refugees tend to be areas that greatly benefitted from exploiting those same nations and causing their problems in the first place.
Syria, a war-torn nation providing one of Europe's largest migrant influxes, was a French colony exploited for their natural resources. The United States helped destabilize many Central and Southern American nations, either through corporate interests or causing regime change. See Chile and Allende for example, where the U.S. orchestrated a coup resulting in a dictatorship. These same nations the U.S. helped destabilize are sources of the border crisis.
There are multiple issues here: failing economy causing backlash against migrants, the poverty migrants are trying to escape from which naturally brings social problems, and the fact Western colonialism greatly contributed to the root-causes of their poverty.
All of these issues tend to be overlooked and that's a mistake. Migrants from poor countries do bring crime for the reasons mentioned, like Western meddling. That must be acknowledged, just like xenophobia or racism against them must be acknowledged, as well as the fact that struggling economies contribute to the backlash against migrants.
There's some truth on both sides of the debate regarding migrants.
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@shavixmir saidIt already has been taken over.
Their country is not beinf taken over.
And, it would be rather hypocrite, considering Britain’s history, eh…
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@vivify saidYou've got a broad view of the situation.
That goes both ways.
Migrants from poverty-stricken nations will bring social problems. War-torn nations like Syria or gang-ridden areas like in Central America naturally result in populations with societal ills. Those problems don't immediately disappear once such immigrants move to wealthier nations.
You're correct that economic downturn can feed into scapegoating ...[text shortened]... e backlash against migrants.
There's some truth on both sides of the debate regarding migrants.
What do you see as the two sides?
You can see what Shavixmir and I are saying about the media/Tommy Robinson using the disparity to their own agenda can't you?
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@Cliff-Mashburn saidAre you cannon fodder?
Tell us again how England hasn't been taken over: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YgtMWqLlzhY
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@Cliff-Mashburn saidDon’t be a dumb arse.
It already has been taken over.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZWZXV6xubQ
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@vivify saidThere is no correlation between crime rates and migration in the US. No matter what trump says.
That goes both ways.
Migrants from poverty-stricken nations will bring social problems. War-torn nations like Syria or gang-ridden areas like in Central America naturally result in populations with societal ills. Those problems don't immediately disappear once such immigrants move to wealthier nations.
You're correct that economic downturn can feed into scapegoating ...[text shortened]... e backlash against migrants.
There's some truth on both sides of the debate regarding migrants.
I have seen 0 proof that it’s any different in the UK