@Metal-Brain
YOU IDIOT. RUSSIANS ARE OUT TO KILL AMERICA.
But that is ok with you, since you spout Putin BS DAILY.
I can only assume for instance, you agree with the idea those poor folks who attacked on Jan6 and now in jail should be considered political prisoners and HERO's rather than the insurrectionist TRAITORS they really are.
You response tells me I hit a real nerve.
09 Sep 21
@sonhouse saidDid you forget the CIA meddled in Russia's election to get Yeltsin in power and succeeded? The USA was out to kill the USSR and they did just that.
@Metal-Brain
YOU IDIOT. RUSSIANS ARE OUT TO KILL AMERICA.
But that is ok with you, since you spout Putin BS DAILY.
I can only assume for instance, you agree with the idea those poor folks who attacked on Jan6 and now in jail should be considered political prisoners and HERO's rather than the insurrectionist TRAITORS they really are.
You response tells me I hit a real nerve.
09 Sep 21
@metal-brain saidSo explain what exactly is the difference between a vaccinated and an unvaccinated asmptomatic person?
Yes, they are "stealth" super spreaders. Worse than the unvaccinated.
They will hasten herd immunity just by infecting everyone without knowing they are doing it.
I know you claimed that the vaccinated had a higher virus load, but as of yet you didn't bring convincing evidence.
A person is less likely to develop COVID-19 after vaccination and thus less likely to spread at all.
I can understand the urge to ask vaccinated persons to be tested under a zero COVID strategy, but you never occured to me as a person to be in that camp. Otherwise it makes less sens to test a vaccinated person than aunvaccinated one. (simple statistics)
09 Sep 21
@Ponderable
A study said that vaccinated people were twice as likely to be asymptomatic when sick
@eladar saidYes but how many become sick after being vaccinated and how many become sick unvaccinated? Just for the sake of the arghumnet go for a very high number and say about 20% of vaccinated people would develop COVID (it is less in reality) and about 80% of unvaccinated people develop Covid. Evn if the vaccinated who do develop Covid are far less people absolute than the unvaccinated who develop COVid. So the unvaccinted still pose the higher danger.
@Ponderable
A study said that vaccinated people were twice as likely to be asymptomatic when sick
So lets take 100 persons for each groups (vaccinated and non-vaccinated) who get into contact with the Virus
80 of the unvaccinated will develop COVID 20 of the vaccinated.
About 40% of the 80 will be without symptoms that is 32. If 80% of the vaccinated are symptomless that is 16.
Now which group has the higher amount of spreaders? Even though the incidence is twofold? Plus how many people of each group will end up in hospital, how many in ICU and how many dead?
(And no the unvaccinated are not the more careful group which will go to a quarantine)
@ponderable saidMy position is that everyone needs to be tested. Getting vaccinated is no guarantee you will not get sick.
Yes but how many become sick after being vaccinated and how many become sick unvaccinated? Just for the sake of the arghumnet go for a very high number and say about 20% of vaccinated people would develop COVID (it is less in reality) and about 80% of unvaccinated people develop Covid. Evn if the vaccinated who do develop Covid are far less people absolute than the unvacci ...[text shortened]... ny dead?
(And no the unvaccinated are not the more careful group which will go to a quarantine)
10 Sep 21
@ponderable saidI provided my source of information. It is based on this study:
So explain what exactly is the difference between a vaccinated and an unvaccinated asmptomatic person?
I know you claimed that the vaccinated had a higher virus load, but as of yet you didn't bring convincing evidence.
A person is less likely to develop COVID-19 after vaccination and thus less likely to spread at all.
I can understand the urge to ask vaccinated p ...[text shortened]... Otherwise it makes less sens to test a vaccinated person than aunvaccinated one. (simple statistics)
https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3897733
The study found vaccinated individuals carry 251 times the load of COVID-19 viruses in their nostrils compared to the unvaccinated.
11 Sep 21
@Metal-Brain
When are you going to learn to READ? I read it and they are talking about DELTA you idiot.
There is more because it is a stronger variant than the original.
But that would get right by your so called brain, REALLY made of metal and that is NOT silicon.
More like a head full of cotton candy.
12 Sep 21
@sonhouse saidWhy do you think that matters?
@Metal-Brain
When are you going to learn to READ? I read it and they are talking about DELTA you idiot.
There is more because it is a stronger variant than the original.
But that would get right by your so called brain, REALLY made of metal and that is NOT silicon.
More like a head full of cotton candy.
I heard on the news that the delta made up ninety some percent of all cases now. Is that true or not?
@Metal-Brain many countries are requiring visitors show proof of a very recent negative Covid test regardless of their vaccination status. The CDC has stated EVERYONE should be wearing a decent mask regardless of their vaccination status. I and my vaccinated family and friends are wearing good masks and do not go inside restaurants or restaurants with crowded outdoor spaces. I see nothing wrong with increasing testing of those who are vaccinated.
12 Sep 21
@metal-brain said🚧🚨Moronity of Gop alert!!!🚨🚧
You are a liar. My information is truthful and I provided my sources to prove it.
STOP LYING!
@metal-brain saidNo it doesn't:
I provided my source of information. It is based on this study:
https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3897733
The study found vaccinated individuals carry 251 times the load of COVID-19 viruses in their nostrils compared to the unvaccinated.
" Viral loads of breakthrough Delta variant infection cases were 251 times higher than those of cases infected with old strains detected between March-April 2020."
It says Delta has higher viral loads than previous variants; there is no comparison between those presently vaccinated and those presently unvaccinated. This study says that the difference is even higher:
"The viral loads in the Delta infections were ~1000 times higher than those in the earlier 19A/19B strain infections on the day when viruses were firstly detected>"
https://virological.org/t/viral-infection-and-transmission-in-a-large-well-traced-outbreak-caused-by-the-delta-sars-cov-2-variant/724