02 Nov 21
@sonhouse said"That still means you could be asymptomatic and spread covid anyway "
@Metal-Brain
What a joke. You think you are superman and IMMUNE?
The main thing going on here is you lucked out SO FAR.
Just because you ASSUME you are safe can be a huge mistake.
That still means you could be asymptomatic and spread covid anyway
so what you are saying is you done care if you infect anyone or not because you are SUPERMAN.
Stop spreading misinformation.
I have already had covid19. I have immunity from the virus. It is very unlikely I will get it again and become an asymptomatic carrier. Vaccinated people can become an asymptomatic carrier and spread it to others.
I have better immunity from the SARS2 virus than the vaccinated. Vaccinated people should be tested. They are the super spreaders because they do not know they can spread it and they are giving people hugs again.
@metal-brain saidYeah, pretty much completely debunked.
"That still means you could be asymptomatic and spread covid anyway "
Stop spreading misinformation.
I have already had covid19. I have immunity from the virus. It is very unlikely I will get it again and become an asymptomatic carrier. Vaccinated people can become an asymptomatic carrier and spread it to others.
I have better immunity from the SARS2 virus than th ...[text shortened]... e super spreaders because they do not know they can spread it and they are giving people hugs again.
As per the results from the RIVM, Israel, etc. most spreading is caused by non-vaccinated people.
02 Nov 21
@shavixmir saidYou are a liar.
Yeah, pretty much completely debunked.
As per the results from the RIVM, Israel, etc. most spreading is caused by non-vaccinated people.
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/leahbarkoukis/2021/11/01/lancet-study-n2598344
@metal-brain saidI’ve posted multiple links from official sites, using track and trace data.
You are a liar.
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/leahbarkoukis/2021/11/01/lancet-study-n2598344
Take your townhall and shove it up yer arse.
This is the study it is reporting on:
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099(21)00648-4/fulltext#seccestitle160
Note:
The SAR in household contacts exposed to the delta variant was 25% (95% CI 18–33) for fully vaccinated individuals compared with 38% (24–53) in unvaccinated individuals.
And more importantly:
Vaccination reduces the risk of delta variant infection and accelerates viral clearance. Nonetheless, fully vaccinated individuals with breakthrough infections have peak viral load similar to unvaccinated cases and can efficiently transmit infection in household settings, including to fully vaccinated contacts. Host–virus interactions early in infection may shape the entire viral trajectory.
And take due note that this is in the household setting, where individuals are constantly in contact with each other.
02 Nov 21
@shavixmir saidThat Lancet article says this:
I’ve posted multiple links from official sites, using track and trace data.
Take your townhall and shove it up yer arse.
This is the study it is reporting on:
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099(21)00648-4/fulltext#seccestitle160
Note:
The SAR in household contacts exposed to the delta variant was 25% (95% CI 18–33) for fully vaccinat ...[text shortened]... that this is in the household setting, where individuals are constantly in contact with each other.
"We identified similar SAR (25😵 in household contacts exposed to fully vaccinated index cases as in those exposed to unvaccinated index cases (23😵. This finding indicates that breakthrough infections in fully vaccinated people can efficiently transmit infection in the household setting."
Learn to read!
02 Nov 21
@metal-brain saidI quoted directly from the Lancet report.
That Lancet article says this:
"We identified similar SAR (25😵 in household contacts exposed to fully vaccinated index cases as in those exposed to unvaccinated index cases (23😵. This finding indicates that breakthrough infections in fully vaccinated people can efficiently transmit infection in the household setting."
Learn to read!
You learn to read.
You link up to some right-wing retarded site which enforces your beliefs, with random comments out a random study about the chances of infection in a HOUSEHOLD setting, scope creep the hell out of it and suggest that everyone is wrong except you and the nutters on the extreme right.
And worse, in doing so, you fail to comprehend what’s actually being said.
This is their summary (interpretted by the Lancet for easy comprehension):
Vaccination reduces the risk of delta variant infection and accelerates viral clearance. Nonetheless, fully vaccinated individuals with breakthrough infections have peak viral load similar to unvaccinated cases and can efficiently transmit infection in household settings, including to fully vaccinated contacts.
- First or second page of the report, directly under summary -
So, to make this study perfectly clear for you:
- vaccines reduce the chance of contracting the virus
- vaccines clear the virus quicker from the body
- in a household setting, once someone has the virus, the chances of the others getting it, whether vaccinated or not, are roughly equal.
No more, no less.
IN A HOUSEHOLD SETTING!!!
Sweet Jesus on a rope.
02 Nov 21
ESTONIAN CULTURE MINISTER ANNELI OTT STEPS BACK DUE TO CORONAPOLITICS
Now, Estonia has the highest rate of coronainfections in Europe, if not in the world.
Estonian culture minister Anneli Ott from Central Party steps back, being dissatisfied with the governmental Reform Party's style concerning the epidemic.
Anneli Ott has been accused of being an "antivaxer" and "vaccine sceptic". In fact, however, she is against (indirectly) compulsory vaccinations, the details of the corona restrictions and the vaccine passports.
One of the reasons for stepping back Anneli Ott quotes is the fact that the vaccinated people can visit crowdy places, gather, go to work - all without other precaution measures and without any testing at all; while the negative test result is not regarded as a proof that the person tested is not infected. She accuses Reform Party of refusing to discuss the coronapolicies.
"Kultuuriminister Anneli Ott astub tagasi"
Postimees, November 2, 2021,
https://www.postimees.ee/7375799/kultuuriminister-anneli-ott-astub-tagasi
02 Nov 21
@mghrn55 saidYou are talking as if I have said something else than I actually said. The same applies to the original post of the present thread: it is not talking about such things. If you are vaccinated but still tested, this is OK.
I am travelling and I am being tested.
And I am fully vaccinated (double).
Because there is the risk that I could put an unvaccinated person in the hospital or worse.
That is why unvaccinated people are being limited in public places.
Yes, there is a loss of freedom. But freedom is not absolute.
People still remove their shoes at airports in the US.
02 Nov 21
@shavixmir saidI quoted directly from the Lancet report.
I quoted directly from the Lancet report.
You learn to read.
You link up to some right-wing retarded site which enforces your beliefs, with random comments out a random study about the chances of infection in a HOUSEHOLD setting, scope creep the hell out of it and suggest that everyone is wrong except you and the nutters on the extreme right.
And worse, in doing so, ...[text shortened]... or not, are roughly equal.
No more, no less.
IN A HOUSEHOLD SETTING!!!
Sweet Jesus on a rope.
You learn to read.
06 Nov 21
@metal-brain said🚨🚧Moronity of MB alert!🚧🚨
A new study from the Lancet confirms it.
https://rumble.com/voihdw-vaxxed-just-as-likely-to-spread-covid-as-unvaxxed.html
The debate is over. Vaxxed Just As Likely To Spread Covid As Unvaxxed
06 Nov 21
SARS-CoV-2 vaccine protection and deaths among US veterans during 2021
Science, November 04, 2021
https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.abm0620?fbclid=IwAR3z9ftoL9k14kLlpZ2JZ3ERV8BuAjbWMTzvczoMTVOsKKsjdcM9VJYq77I
During one year, vaccine protection has decreased from 90% to 13%.
As yet, I have not had time to read this paper in detail. What exactly is asserted in it.
06 Nov 21
@eintaluj saidShouldn’t you read it before posting it and cherry picking one piece of data out if it, and completely out of context at that?
SARS-CoV-2 vaccine protection and deaths among US veterans during 2021
Science, November 04, 2021
https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.abm0620?fbclid=IwAR3z9ftoL9k14kLlpZ2JZ3ERV8BuAjbWMTzvczoMTVOsKKsjdcM9VJYq77I
During one year, vaccine protection has decreased from 90% to 13%.
As yet, I have not had time to read this paper in detail. What exactly is asserted in it.
The summary is that the vaccines work extremely well, especially at stopping hospitalisations and deaths. But, with the Delta variant, they work less well at preventing the spread of the virus.
06 Nov 21
@shavixmir saidNo. Everything is correct. This is a new relevant scientific paper and I shared it immediately. And I have given a warning that it requires some technical contemplation what and in what context has exactly been asserted. Thus, if some newspapers are already making some conclusions, I have warned that I couldn't read it quickly. I am going to sleep now. Your claim that I have taken something completely out of context is a lie.
Shouldn’t you read it before posting it and cherry picking one piece of data out if it, and completely out of context at that?
The summary is that the vaccines work extremely well, especially at stopping hospitalisations and deaths. But, with the Delta variant, they work less well at preventing the spread of the virus.