12 Sep 21
@no1marauder said"The Delta variant has become the dominant strain of COVID-19 in the U.S., accounting for more than 93% of new infections in the U.S. as of last week."
No it doesn't:
" Viral loads of breakthrough Delta variant infection cases were 251 times higher than those of cases infected with old strains detected between March-April 2020."
It says Delta has higher viral loads than previous variants; there is no comparison between those presently vaccinated and those presently unvaccinated. This study says that the difference ...[text shortened]... nfection-and-transmission-in-a-large-well-traced-outbreak-caused-by-the-delta-sars-cov-2-variant/724
https://www.mininggazette.com/news/2021/08/covid-more-transmissible-delta-variant-now-dominant-strain-in-us/
93% is a lot if it is true. Welcome to the new normal of increased viral load.
Didn't you get covid even though you were vaccinated?
@metal-brain saidNo, I got COVID 3 months before my first shot.
"The Delta variant has become the dominant strain of COVID-19 in the U.S., accounting for more than 93% of new infections in the U.S. as of last week."
https://www.mininggazette.com/news/2021/08/covid-more-transmissible-delta-variant-now-dominant-strain-in-us/
93% is a lot if it is true. Welcome to the new normal of increased viral load.
Didn't you get covid even though you were vaccinated?
It's fortunate most people have gotten vaccinated already because otherwise the Delta outbreak would have been far worse given its apparent increased transmissibility.
12 Sep 21
@no1marauder saidIf you already had covid you didn't need a vaccine.
No, I got COVID 3 months before my first shot.
It's fortunate most people have gotten vaccinated already because otherwise the Delta outbreak would have been far worse given its apparent increased transmissibility.
The delta variant is vaccine resistant. There is no evidence vaccines prevented the spread to any degree. You are making up crap you don't know is true.
@metal-brain saidYou're deluded as usual.
If you already had covid you didn't need a vaccine.
The delta variant is vaccine resistant. There is no evidence vaccines prevented the spread to any degree. You are making up crap you don't know is true.
Nothing in your second paragraph is accurate.
As to the first, the CDC recommends the vaccines even if you had COVID for perfectly logical reasons:
"Yes, you should be vaccinated regardless of whether you already had COVID-19 because:
Research has not yet shown how long you are protected from getting COVID-19 again after you recover from COVID-19.
Vaccination helps protect you even if you’ve already had COVID-19.
Evidence is emerging that people get better protection by being fully vaccinated compared with having had COVID-19. One study showed that unvaccinated people who already had COVID-19 are more than 2 times as likely than fully vaccinated people to get COVID-19 again."
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/faq.html
Since I have no desire to get COVID again (I had pneumonia for a week as well as other unpleasant symptoms), I got fully vaccinated and will take any booster shots the experts recommend.
@no1marauder saidYou are wrong as usual. I already proved that with the best study to date, but you are in stubborn denial.
You're deluded as usual.
Nothing in your second paragraph is accurate.
As to the first, the CDC recommends the vaccines even if you had COVID for perfectly logical reasons:
"Yes, you should be vaccinated regardless of whether you already had COVID-19 because:
Research has not yet shown how long you are protected from getting COVID-19 again after you recover f ...[text shortened]... unpleasant symptoms), I got fully vaccinated and will take any booster shots the experts recommend.
The CDC are liars and you know it. You are taking the word of liars again. Natural immunity is 13 times more effective than vaccination. They pushed a gene vaccine on you that doesn't do any good.
@metal-brain saidYou are wrong.
You are wrong as usual. I already proved that with the best study to date, but you are in stubborn denial.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_vxe9pJRQcs
The CDC are liars and you know it. You are taking the word of liars again. Natural immunity is 13 times more effective than vaccination. They pushed a gene vaccine on you that doesn't do any good.
"Among Kentucky residents infected with SARS-CoV-2 in 2020, vaccination status of those reinfected during May–June 2021 was compared with that of residents who were not reinfected. In this case-control study, being unvaccinated was associated with 2.34 times the odds of reinfection compared with being fully vaccinated."
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7032e1.htm?s_cid=mm7032e1_w
In addition, vaccination greatly reduces the chance of hospitalization from COVID: https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7032e3.htm?s_cid=mm7032e3_w
You are a fool to put your health at risk because of crank conspiracy sites.
12 Sep 21
@no1marauder saidThe CDC cites only one study and ignored the others. They cherry picked the study.
You are wrong.
"Among Kentucky residents infected with SARS-CoV-2 in 2020, vaccination status of those reinfected during May–June 2021 was compared with that of residents who were not reinfected. In this case-control study, being unvaccinated was associated with 2.34 times the odds of reinfection compared with being fully vaccinated."
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr ...[text shortened]... htm?s_cid=mm7032e3_w
You are a fool to put your health at risk because of crank conspiracy sites.
https://sharylattkisson.com/2021/09/covid-19-natural-immunity-compared-to-vaccine-induced-immunity-the-definitive-summary/
This link above lists the relevant studies. You can read as many as you want. You will find there are many more studies that say the opposite. You are the one who is wrong. The CDC has lied about this before and a Rep. Thomas Massie (R-Kentucky) called them out for it. So did Rand Paul.
The CDC also changed changed the definition of "vaccines" to fit Covid-19 vaccine limitations.
https://sharylattkisson.com/2021/09/read-cdc-changes-definition-of-vaccines-to-fit-covid-19-vaccine-limitations/
Sharyl Attkisson is not a conspiracy website. You are slandering me with lies again.
The CDC is corrupt and I have exposed their lies and data rigging many times and you know it.
@metal-brain saidAttkisson is a anti-vaxxer like you who has championed the false claim that vaccines cause autism. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sharyl_Attkisson
The CDC cites only one study and ignored the others. They cherry picked the study.
https://sharylattkisson.com/2021/09/covid-19-natural-immunity-compared-to-vaccine-induced-immunity-the-definitive-summary/
This link above lists the relevant studies. You can read as many as you want. You will find there are many more studies that say the opposite. You are the one who ...[text shortened]... gain.
The CDC is corrupt and I have exposed their lies and data rigging many times and you know it.
12 Sep 21
@no1marauder saidproblem is, the cdc has become politicized…who is the head of the cdc now? the previous head resigned right after app phizer
You're deluded as usual.
Nothing in your second paragraph is accurate.
As to the first, the CDC recommends the vaccines even if you had COVID for perfectly logical reasons:
"Yes, you should be vaccinated regardless of whether you already had COVID-19 because:
Research has not yet shown how long you are protected from getting COVID-19 again after you recover f ...[text shortened]... unpleasant symptoms), I got fully vaccinated and will take any booster shots the experts recommend.
12 Sep 21
@eladar saidMaybe you should clarify your sentence (that you've posted twice so far).
@Ponderable
A study said that vaccinated people were twice as likely to be asymptomatic when sick
It appears contradictory to me.
Sick and asymptomatic are clearly contradictory.
If you are sick, then you are not asymptomatic.
Maybe you meant infected.
Please clarify.
12 Sep 21
@mott-the-hoople saidThat may be true, but why would you want to put your own health at risk just to spite politicians? It makes no sense.
problem is, the cdc has become politicized…who is the head of the cdc now? the previous head resigned right after app phizer
The vaccine's efficacy has been proven beyond any reasonable doubt by sources far and wide and apart from anything controlled by the CDC.
@sh76 saidwho said anything about “spiting” politicians besides you?
That may be true, but why would you want to put your own health at risk just to spite politicians? It makes no sense.
The vaccine's efficacy has been proven beyond any reasonable doubt by sources far and wide and apart from anything controlled by the CDC.
Thats the way of you people, you create a situation that doesnt exist then go on to argue your point.
@mott-the-hoople saidThen of what relevance is it that the "cdc has become politicized"?
who said anything about “spiting” politicians besides you?
Thats the way of you people, you create a situation that doesnt exist then go on to argue your point.
@Metal-Brain
So you recommend natural immunity. Hey IDIOT, what makes you think the data supporting THAT theory is better than vax?
So suppose you are right, then you are also ok with the death count even in the US passing one million.
World wide, ten times that or more.
But of course since you don't value people, what is a few million dead, they were probably all democrats anyway, low life scumbag bottom feeder dems.
12 Sep 21
@no1marauder saidQUICK, Marauder..... I now have proof for you and the libs, of the way you fellers use different words when the words of us conservatives are not convenient to your narratives,....you change the narratives
Attkisson is a anti-vaxxer like you who has championed the false claim that vaccines cause autism. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sharyl_Attkisson
Get over to the "Who Benefits at the Loss Of.." thread, where we are all working out the conundrum of "Mandates', and MGHM writes a post and substitutes the word "Encourages". top of page 5.
And people wonder why I spend my valuable time jousting in the forum.!!! Great fodder for tomorrow morning's coffee group. If they didn't get what I was talking about before, they certainly will now! And you will too.