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@rajk999 said
You are sadly mistaken. Clearly you are very young and one of those liberal types. You are emotionally attached to this situation. This social media thing or demonstrating in the street kind of support is shallow and fickle. All you need to do is to tell these liberal jokers who are demonstrating for the Palestinian cause that Hamas and most Islamic regimes will throw them ...[text shortened]... etty soon the only countries supporting the Palestinians are those who support terrorists like Iran.
In the US now, a very sizable majority support an immediate ceasefire. https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/majority-of-americans-republicans-support-israel-ceasefire-poll/ar-AA1jcPmr

Israel is dependent on foreign money and equipment to maintain the massive military needed to repress the Palestinians. Their spit in the face attitude of world wide opinion disapproving of their indiscriminate campaign in Gaza is bound to have political repercussions in those who have previously turned a blind eye to their atrocities.

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@no1marauder said
A few weeks ago you were admitting that Hamas couldn't win a free election in Gaza and now your entire position justifying mass slaughter in that area is based on a claim that the entire population supports Hamas!

Talk about "shallow and fickle".

Your newfound position offers Israelis and Palestinians nothing but an endless cycle of brutality and death. That might be alright for a religious nut like yourself, but should be unappetizing for even the Israeli public.
Well, new information had surfaced. In particular:
- have not heard one single statement from Gazans that they are not supporting what Hamas did, or that they are not part of it, or that they are sorry about the killing of the Jewish civilians. In fact they were jumping and dancing in the street
- early in the bombing Israel provided a safe passage out of Gaza, but just a small % moved out, the bulk of them stood with Hamas

So I was wrong just like you were at that time to state that Hamas has little suppor. They have the bulk of the people on their side.

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@rajk999 said
Well, new information had surfaced. In particular:
- have not heard one single statement from Gazans that they are not supporting what Hamas did, or that they are not part of it, or that they are sorry about the killing of the Jewish civilians. In fact they were jumping and dancing in the street
- early in the bombing Israel provided a safe passage out of Gaza, but just a ...[text shortened]... at that time to state that Hamas has little suppor. They have the bulk of the people on their side.
How do you expect Gazans to get out anti-Hamas messages in a Hamas controlled zone in war time?

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@no1marauder said
In the US now, a very sizable majority support an immediate ceasefire. https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/majority-of-americans-republicans-support-israel-ceasefire-poll/ar-AA1jcPmr

Israel is dependent on foreign money and equipment to maintain the massive military needed to repress the Palestinians. Their spit in the face attitude of world wide opinion disapprovi ...[text shortened]... to have political repercussions in those who have previously turned a blind eye to their atrocities.
What if they threw a cease fire and only one side came?

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@no1marauder said
In the US now, a very sizable majority support an immediate ceasefire. https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/majority-of-americans-republicans-support-israel-ceasefire-poll/ar-AA1jcPmr

Israel is dependent on foreign money and equipment to maintain the massive military needed to repress the Palestinians. Their spit in the face attitude of world wide opinion disapprovi ...[text shortened]... to have political repercussions in those who have previously turned a blind eye to their atrocities.
I dont think Israel is listening to anyone. They aim to eliminate the threat of Hamas. A ceasefire will not accomplish that.

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@rajk999 said
Well, new information had surfaced. In particular:
- have not heard one single statement from Gazans that they are not supporting what Hamas did, or that they are not part of it, or that they are sorry about the killing of the Jewish civilians. In fact they were jumping and dancing in the street
- early in the bombing Israel provided a safe passage out of Gaza, but just a ...[text shortened]... at that time to state that Hamas has little suppor. They have the bulk of the people on their side.
Israel never provided "safe passage" from Gaza; even foreign nationals are having a difficult time leaving Gaza. This article is from November 1st:

"U.S. citizens were among the hundreds of foreign nationals who flooded through the gates at Gaza's border crossing with Egypt on Wednesday, marking the first time that people trapped inside Gaza since fighting broke out between Israel and Hamas have been allowed to leave."

https://www.npr.org/2023/11/01/1209859350/foreign-nationals-gaza-rafah-border

Your "new information" is just as inaccurate as your "old information".

There's no indication that the "bulk" of the Palestinian People support Hamas; you're making that up based on your negative stereotypes of them and Muslims in general.

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@rajk999 said
I dont think Israel is listening to anyone. They aim to eliminate the threat of Hamas. A ceasefire will not accomplish that.
If the US had the political will to listen to its People and cut off military funding to Israel unless they agreed to follow the rules of war, they would.

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@no1marauder said
If the US had the political will to listen to its People and cut off military funding to Israel unless they agreed to follow the rules of war, they would.
Rules of war must be followed by both parties, otherwise there are no rules. Hamas shot civilians, children women, aged civilians and kidnapped 200 or so. There are no rules.

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In principle the laws of war do not make it more difficult to win the conflict so it is not disadvantageous for only one side to follow them.

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@athousandyoung said
What if they threw a cease fire and only one side came?
Hamas and Israel have agreed to ceasefires in the past. https://www.bbc.com/news/57200843

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@rajk999 said
Rules of war must be followed by both parties, otherwise there are no rules. Hamas shot civilians, children women, aged civilians and kidnapped 200 or so. There are no rules.
That isn't how it works and you either know it or are incredibly stupid.

"The tu quoque defense (Latin for 'you too'😉 asserts that the authority trying a defendant has committed the same crimes of which they are accused.[1][2] It is related to the legal principle of clean hands,[3] reprisal,[4] and "an eye for an eye".[5] The tu quoque defense does not exist in international criminal law and has never been accepted by an international court.[6][7]"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tu_quoque_defense

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@no1marauder said
That isn't how it works and you either know it or are incredibly stupid.

"The tu quoque defense (Latin for 'you too'😉 asserts that the authority trying a defendant has committed the same crimes of which they are accused.[1][2] It is related to the legal principle of clean hands,[3] reprisal,[4] and "an eye for an eye".[5] The tu quoque defense does not exist in inte ...[text shortened]... en accepted by an international court.[6][7]"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tu_quoque_defense
Who do you expect to arrest the war criminals? The Russian/USA/British/French/Chinese alliance known as the UN who arrested the Nazis?

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@no1marauder said
That isn't how it works and you either know it or are incredibly stupid.

"The tu quoque defense (Latin for 'you too'😉 asserts that the authority trying a defendant has committed the same crimes of which they are accused.[1][2] It is related to the legal principle of clean hands,[3] reprisal,[4] and "an eye for an eye".[5] The tu quoque defense does not exist in inte ...[text shortened]... en accepted by an international court.[6][7]"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tu_quoque_defense
Your point about "tu quoque" is noted, thanks. But as you can see, thats not how it works in practice. Nobody is going to arrest anybody for cleaning up Gaza. While the legal jokers run their mouth on the sidelines, Israel is doing what needs to be done.

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@rajk999 said
Well, new information had surfaced. In particular:
- have not heard one single statement from Gazans that they are not supporting what Hamas did, or that they are not part of it, or that they are sorry about the killing of the Jewish civilians. In fact they were jumping and dancing in the street
- early in the bombing Israel provided a safe passage out of Gaza, but just a ...[text shortened]... at that time to state that Hamas has little suppor. They have the bulk of the people on their side.
So I was wrong just like you were at that time to state that Hamas has little suppor. They have the bulk of the people on their side.

There's no power in Gaza. No water. No internet. At least 25% of all buildings have been damaged or destroyed, so millions have no home. They can't leave.

Under these circumstances, you want them to what? Release statements condemning what Hamas did? The only people with guns. Really? They're not suicidal. Hamas is monitoring the flow of information in and out, they release what they think makes them look like victims. That's it. You have no idea what "the bulk of the people" think, or even what they know about the situation.

It's a war zone and you're asking why the civilians aren't releasing a TikTok video that proves to you that they don't like innocent people dying.

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@wildgrass said
So I was wrong just like you were at that time to state that Hamas has little suppor. They have the bulk of the people on their side.

There's no power in Gaza. No water. No internet. At least 25% of all buildings have been damaged or destroyed, so millions have no home. They can't leave.

Under these circumstances, you want them to what? Release statements ...[text shortened]... lians aren't releasing a TikTok video that proves to you that they don't like innocent people dying.
I dont really need to know what they think now.
I know what they thought before.
They elected Hamas.
They rejoice in the street when Hamas kills Jews.
Their aim is to repossess the entire historical Palestine.

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