Zionists are openly racist

@no1marauder said
Well since you obviously don't know it, I think pointing out the real history is important. And you are trying to move goalposts by bitching about Palestinian opposition once "the Jews starting buying land" in the area and then trying to jump to a distorted version of the events of 1947-48.

So I'm here to help; read this: https://www.un.org/unispal/history2/origins-and ...[text shortened]... of Jews. Of course, the Palestine People rejected such an unfair division.

That's real history.

I am aware of all those details. So there is nothing along the lines of this statement you made:
.. the Jews have declared they wish to rule over Palestine

Not being in agreement with the proposed partition plan approved by the UN has nothing to do with anything at all. You are making stuff up.

The Palestinians want NO PARTITION.
They wanted no partition then.
They want none now.
They want the entire land of Palestine.
They want the Jews OUT OF THERE
This is all stated in the Hamas Charter

That is the truth.

@rajk999 said
I am aware of all those details. So there is nothing along the lines of this statement you made:
.. the Jews have declared they wish to rule over Palestine

Not being in agreement with the proposed partition plan approved by the UN has nothing to do with anything at all. You are making stuff up.

The Palestinians want NO PARTITION.
They w ...[text shortened]...
They want the Jews OUT OF THERE
This is all stated in the Hamas Charter

That is the truth.

You're continuing to lie; as I already showed, only a small percentage of Palestinians support explusion of the Jews; in fact, the same percentage of Israeli Jews view explusion of all Palestinians as the "solution".

And as already showed, the majority even in Gaza wants Hamas to stop insisting on the destruction of Israel.

And both Balfour and the 1947 UN Plan the Zionists were willing to accept, envisioned a Zionist State with either a majority or a large minority of Arab Palestinians being under Jewish rule. That's hardly something that they can have been expected to acquiesce to.

Of course, the Zionists "solved" that problem in 1948 by forcing out through war 75% of the non-Jews from the area they conquered and then quickly passing laws denying them the ability to return while seizing their lands, homes, businesses, etc. etc.

@no1marauder said
You're continuing to lie; as I already showed, only a small percentage of Palestinians support explusion of the Jews; in fact, the same percentage of Israeli Jews view explusion of all Palestinians as the "solution".

And as already showed, the majority even in Gaza wants Hamas to stop insisting on the destruction of Israel.

And both Balfour and the 1947 UN Plan the ...[text shortened]... sing laws denying them the ability to return while seizing their lands, homes, businesses, etc. etc.

Hamas represents the Palestinians.
If they chose badly they are to blame.
The survey you posted recently has very little credibility

@rajk999 said
Hamas represents the Palestinians.
If they chose badly they are to blame.
The survey you posted recently has very little credibility

Funny, do I have to dig up the post where you stated that Hamas couldn't win an election in Gaza now?

@no1marauder said
Funny, do I have to dig up the post where you stated that Hamas couldn't win an election in Gaza now?

You mixing me up with someone else. Unless I was drunk I would never say that. I think many Palestinians present two faces. The sad one, hating Hamas when confronted with this current predicament they are in, then there is the other one when things are good and settled [ie relatively peaceful], when they want the Jews out of Palestine.

In your same survey you posted, they said in the short term they want peace and will live under the Jews, but in the long term they want back all of historical Palestine.

@rajk999 said
You mixing me up with someone else. Unless I was drunk I would never say that. I think many Palestinians present two faces. The sad one, hating Hamas when confronted with this current predicament they are in, then there is the other one when things are good and settled [ie relatively peaceful], when they want the Jews out of Palestine.

In your same survey you posted, the ...[text shortened]... peace and will live under the Jews, but in the long term they want back all of historical Palestine.

"in a free and fair election, Hamas would lose even in Gaza"

Hamas Beheading Babies, October 12

Bottoms up!

@no1marauder said
"in a free and fair election, Hamas would lose even in Gaza"

Hamas Beheading Babies, October 12

Bottoms up!

I was drunk .. cheers. I changed my mind after chatting with some muslims in my area.

@no1marauder said
Well since you obviously don't know it, I think pointing out the real history is important. And you are trying to move goalposts by bitching about Palestinian opposition once "the Jews starting buying land" in the area and then trying to jump to a distorted version of the events of 1947-48.

So I'm here to help; read this: https://www.un.org/unispal/history2/origins-and ...[text shortened]... of Jews. Of course, the Palestine People rejected such an unfair division.

That's real history.

The 60% included a huge swath of barely habitable desert in the south (the whole negev, essentially). The Palestinian state would have had most of the best agricultural land. And the Israel state would have been barely contiguous and a stone's throw of width at some points.

It was hardly a sweeheart deal for Israel.

Ironically, the Jewish state under the division contained very little of historical, Biblical Israel.

@sh76 said
The 60% included a huge swath of barely habitable desert in the south (the whole negev, essentially). The Palestinian state would have had most of the best agricultural land. And the Israel state would have been barely contiguous and a stone's throw of width at some points.

It was hardly a sweeheart deal for Israel.

Ironically, the Jewish state under the division contained very little of historical, Biblical Israel.

The great biblical Israel that existed for… 250 years… mhmmm…

@no1marauder said
Well since you obviously don't know it, I think pointing out the real history is important. And you are trying to move goalposts by bitching about Palestinian opposition once "the Jews starting buying land" in the area and then trying to jump to a distorted version of the events of 1947-48.

So I'm here to help; read this: https://www.un.org/unispal/history2/origins-and ...[text shortened]... of Jews. Of course, the Palestine People rejected such an unfair division.

That's real history.

But it’s important to remember that the Balfour declaration not withstanding the British strongly resisted the setting up of the state of Israel. It was the US cajoling and glad handing other UN states in order to get the votes required to establish the State of Israel.
The British were so antagonistic to the setting up of Israel that they became the target of Israeli terror groups like the Stern Gang
Israel has been a Jewish and American project from its outset

@no1marauder said
You're continuing to lie; as I already showed, only a small percentage of Palestinians support explusion of the Jews; in fact, the same percentage of Israeli Jews view explusion of all Palestinians as the "solution".

And as already showed, the majority even in Gaza wants Hamas to stop insisting on the destruction of Israel.

And both Balfour and the 1947 UN Plan the ...[text shortened]... sing laws denying them the ability to return while seizing their lands, homes, businesses, etc. etc.

It is weird though that there is joy, dancing and celebrating in the streets when Hamas kills Jews. I wonder where they getting all that support. Not from Palestinians though according to you. Where are the ones who you say do not support Hamas killing Jews [about half of them]. They are silent ?

The facts do not support your assertions. As for these surveys people do not tell the truth in these things especially if the truth is unpopular. The real truth comes from actions. The Palestinians are in support of Hamas. Palestinians want Jews dead.

When IDF responded and killed Palestinians, there were no Jews rejoicing in the streets. In fact many Jews called for a ceasefire and an end to the bombing of Gaza, when they realised that civilians were dying.

The Jews and the Palestinains are cut from different cloths.

@kevcvs57 said
But it’s important to remember that the Balfour declaration not withstanding the British strongly resisted the setting up of the state of Israel. It was the US cajoling and glad handing other UN states in order to get the votes required to establish the State of Israel.
The British were so antagonistic to the setting up of Israel that they became the target of Israeli terror groups like the Stern Gang
Israel has been a Jewish and American project from its outset

The UN vote didn't matter (it was a non-binding General Assembly resolution); the British unilateral withdrawal did.

@shavixmir said
The great biblical Israel that existed for… 250 years… mhmmm…

250 years??

What??

Biblical Israel lasted well over 1,000 years, even if you don't count the centuries it was basically autonomous as a Roman vassal.

Not that it really matters from a legal or moral standpoint, but WTF are you talking about?

@sh76 said
The 60% included a huge swath of barely habitable desert in the south (the whole negev, essentially). The Palestinian state would have had most of the best agricultural land. And the Israel state would have been barely contiguous and a stone's throw of width at some points.

It was hardly a sweeheart deal for Israel.

Ironically, the Jewish state under the division contained very little of historical, Biblical Israel.

Of course, the plan was a geographical monstrosity (see the map here https://www.britannica.com/topic/United-Nations-Resolution-181) leaving three Jewish areas and 4 Palestinian ones barely touching each other (or not touching at all as in the Jaffa division).

The Negev had few Jewish settlers, but was given to the Zionists because they wanted access to the Red Sea through Aqaba. However, few Jews would have remained in the Arab State while almost half the population of the Zionist State would have been non-Jews based on census figures:

Territory Arab and other population % Arab and other Jewish population % Jewish Total population
Arab State 725,000 99% 10,000 1% 735,000
Jewish State 407,000 45% 498,000 55% 905,000
International 105,000 51% 100,000 49% 205,000
Total 1,237,000 67% 608,000 33% 1,845,000

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Partition_Plan_for_Palestine

It's hard to see how the Zionists could have been given anything more, since the rest of the territory had virtually no Jews in it.

Naturally, the Zionists didn't follow it when they were victorious in the war; they grabbed about an extra 20-25% of Palestine and saw to it that 75% of the non-Jewish population of Israel was forced out and never allowed to return.

@no1marauder said
The UN vote didn't matter (it was a non-binding General Assembly resolution); the British unilateral withdrawal did.

Oh ok slopey shoulders so the British leaving led to the state of Israel magically coming into existence and in your world the British implemented the Balfour declaration by pulling out.
“On May 14, 1948, David Ben-Gurion, the head of the Jewish Agency, proclaimed the establishment of the State of Israel. U.S. President Harry S. Truman recognized the new nation on the same day.
https://history.state.gov › milestones
Creation of Israel, 1948 - Milestones: 1945–1952 - Office of the Historian.
Israel was a Jewish and US project from its inception deal with it .