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So IronMan was a cheat...

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no1marauder
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Originally posted by Exy
It's been done far from properly!

No1marauder publishes his opinions in a "private" forum at the site (this should never have been allowed to happen). His accusations and evidence that were presented to the OFFICAL Game Mods should have been logged, analysed and acted on and before point of execution the accused should have been allowed a chance to defe ...[text shortened]... should names be published of those banned.

That's not "my way" it’s the fair and just way.
Again, it's NOYFB what I publish in my clan's forum. We were promised an unmoderated forum; if Russ had reneged on that because of your silly complaints that would have made him a liar. Three of the Game Mods are members of the clan and one has told me it's a convenient way to give them the evidence since otherwise's I'd have to e-mail my analyses as they are too big for a PM. Has for "false" accusations, you're starting to look a little silly; 3 of the 5 bounced today were subjects of my "false" accusations, 2 of which you insisted were innocent. You continue to make a fool of yourself.

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Originally posted by no1marauder
Again, it's NOYFB what I publish in my clan's forum. We were promised an unmoderated forum; if Russ had reneged on that because of your silly complaints that would have made him a liar. Three of the Game Mods are members of the clan and one has told me it's a convenient way to give them the evidence since otherwise's I'd have to e-mail my analyses a ...[text shortened]... e" accusations, 2 of which you insisted were innocent. You continue to make a fool of yourself.
Well if "one of them has told you that" then again will the ADMINS please give us a FAIR and JUST system to report cheating - it's obvious from No1's admission involving a Game Mod that the current system does not work as they are resorting to "private" forums within the site to make accusations! 😕

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Without having read all 16 pages (so apologies If I repeat myself here) ...

But should people like Afro not be allowed to defend himself. I do not know how many games have been analysed and to what degree, but given the fact that he is a FIDE official makes me kinda wonder ...

Just my thoughts on this - other then that,well done RHP for finally acting, hope to see many more top 20 player's being banned (I'm sure that David Tebb is easily the best HUMAN player here and soon back to his Number 1 spot)

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This is super stuff - really top notch drama!

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Hmmmmmmm....... Looks around. Where is Ravello to tell you Ironman is a real person. Boy are you guys gonna get it when Ravello sees this! It's his personal friend.....😠

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Originally posted by The Slow Pawn
Without having read all 16 pages (so apologies If I repeat myself here) ...

But should people like Afro not be allowed to defend himself. I do not know how many games have been analysed and to what degree, but given the fact that he is a FIDE official makes me kinda wonder ...

Just my thoughts on this - other then that,well done RHP for finally ...[text shortened]... Tebb is easily the best HUMAN player here and soon back to his Number 1 spot)

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Boris
Funny how you used to defend him so fervently when he reinvented himself as Ironman... 😕

no1marauder
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Originally posted by Exy
Well if "one of them has told you that" then again will the ADMINS please give us a FAIR and JUST system to report cheating - it's obvious from No1's admission involving a Game Mod that the current system does not work as they are resorting to "private" forums within the site to make accusations! 😕
Their is a system to report cheating; you send Feedback or PM a Game Mod. Since I was publishing analyses anyway, they decided it would be convenient to look at it there. It's obvious the system DID work as 5 cheaters were thrown out today (1 more voluntarily left the site after being apprised of the evidence against him). I also note that I believe Nordly's told us he PM'ed EVERYONE mentioned in my clan forum as being the subject of my engine analyses and all were invited to respond to said allegations in my forum; none did (including IM) though one sent a message through Nordlys denying the allegations.

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Originally posted by no1marauder
Their is a system to report cheating; you send Feedback or PM a Game Mod. Since I was publishing analyses anyway, they decided it would be convenient to look at it there. It's obvious the system DID work as 5 cheaters were thrown out today (1 more voluntarily left the site after being apprised of the evidence against him). I also note that I believe Nor ...[text shortened]... orum; none did (including IM) though one sent a message through Nordlys denying the allegations.
If the real system "worked" then you wouldn't have had to carry on your forum side show - and by "working" when you ban someone, you firstly should give them a chance to defend themselves and once proved guilty you should display some sort of "laymans" evidence as to why.

Until this happens then this subject will continue to divide this community. I don't understand why it's so difficult to get it right?! 😕

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Originally posted by Exy
Well if "one of them has told you that" then again will the ADMINS please give us a FAIR and JUST system to report cheating - it's obvious from No1's admission involving a Game Mod that the current system does not work as they are resorting to "private" forums within the site to make accusations! 😕
You are starting to become the lauging stock of the entire site. The last couple of months I have read almost all the "discussions" between you and the Marauder. In all those events you have backed-up the "game mod initiation" for the full 100% ... and those were really your own words.

At last ... and I believe that the decision has not been taken lightly ... the Gam Mods have reached a decision concerning the possible cheating of a number of members of this site. Not one single time has there been a statement by the site's admins that "proof" of their investigation would be made public ... not once have you directly stated that it would be mandatory for you to back the game mods up for the full 100%.

And now you are doubting their decisions ... now you have found yet another reason to bicker on about this issue and demand a "fair trial" on a online chess site for crying out loud.

Grow up Exy ... because you start to sound like a child spoiled rotten whose candy has been taken away.

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Whats the odds IM31 was one of the 18 here http://www.redhotpawn.com/vote/result.php?voteid=2

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Originally posted by NicolaiS
You are starting to become the lauging stock of the entire site. The last couple of months I have read almost all the "discussions" between you and the Marauder. In all those events you have backed-up the "game mod initiation" for the full 100% ... and those were really your own words.

At last ... and I believe that the decision has not been taken li ...[text shortened]... Exy ... because you start to sound like a child spoiled rotten whose candy has been taken away.
WRONG.

If the Site's Policy on Cheating worked then small fry like No1 wouldn't be allowed to happen. If he wants to report his analysis to the Game Mods then fair play to him.

The bottom line is that the process needs to be clear cut - how do you report - on what basis - what will the Game Mods do - on what evidence shall they act - when someone is banned will the community know why - what evidence, albeit layman's shall be reported back?!

None of this is working. Ironman31 has been scalped cos he's top dog, only cos No1 has created a stink. This is way out of order and the fact that the guy finds out cos he can't log on - no one has taken the trouble to read him his rights and tell him why. It's beyond shocking, it's embarrassing.

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Originally posted by Moldy Crow
"Properly" meaning your way ? Some of us think it was done properly . Russ and Co. didn't have to do anything , nor are they accountable to us . What they have done thus far is above and beond the call of duty . They listened to a preceived problem by their subscribers , deliberated the best course of action , acted , then informed us of their actions ...[text shortened]... ime in a long time I can say without reservation - Good job Russ and the mods ! Damm fine show !
Beautifully stated.

This ridiculous martyrdom of Ironman31 is starting to make me feel ill.

I'm glad to wholeheartedly place all my trust in Russ and the game mods.

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Originally posted by Exy
WRONG.

If the Site's Policy on Cheating worked then small fry like No1 wouldn't be allowed to happen. If he wants to report his analysis to the Game Mods then fair play to him.

The bottom line is that the process needs to be clear cut - how do you report - on what basis - what will the Game Mods do - on what evidence shall they act - when someone is b ...[text shortened]... the trouble to read him his rights and tell him why. It's beyond shocking, it's embarrassing.
Cut your losses , exy . In life , just like in chess , sometimes the best move you can make is to resign . This game is over , baby .

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You guys like the system? fine......

just don't cry when the shoe is on the other foot

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Originally posted by fierytorment
You guys like the system? fine......

just don't cry when the shoe is on the other foot
I wear flip flops.

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