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So IronMan was a cheat...

So IronMan was a cheat...

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Originally posted by fierytorment
A murderer is the US is given more rights than Ironman was on this site. SAD
Murderers when caught are put in jail and in quite a few states put to death.....what is your point again??

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Originally posted by NicolaiS
[b]that's all we want, it's fair, it's just, it's common sense!?! 😲

Nope ... thats all YOU want.[/b]
I'm sorry but I don't see how wanting a system that is "fair" and "just" is idiosyncratic to my position?! Can anyone say that without a doubt that Ironman31 has been banned on the basis of indisputable evidence, cos if that evidence is just Fritz match ups then the OFFICIAL GAME MODS / SITE ADMINS would be giving no secrets away to admit that and illustrate it with one or two examples.

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They had a fair trial, they had a chance to defend themselves, they were proven guilty,


see where I am going with this?

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Originally posted by Exy
You can't a ban the top player for yanks at this site without an explanation, not when those that know him are aware that he's proclaiming his innocence.
I agree with you that those who are accused should get a chance to defend themselves, but I don't see where being the top player comes into this. People shouldn't be treated differently because of their rank (it would actually be quite ironic to treat people better because of their rank when this rank was achieved by cheating).

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Originally posted by Exy
You are such a hypocrite - you put your evidence forward to the OFFICIAL GAME MODS and they were luke warm towards it - they've only looked at it again because you have created so much disruption and disharmony by using your "private forum" to make accusations.

I'm sorry but this stinks. I have always agreed that there is some level of Engine use probl ...[text shortened]... DENCE in layman's terms, that's all we want, it's fair, it's just, it's common sense!?! 😲
You are so full of it; YOU NEVER PROPOSED ANYTHING LIKE THAT UNTIL TODAY!! You didn't support my proposal made back in December for certain due process rights! Your gall is absolutely incredible!

I and you have no idea if the Mods were lukewarm about my evidence; remember there were only two Game Mods at the time (until my Game Mod thread served as a catlyst to get two more named; you're welcome even though you opposed all my suggestions in that thread) they may simply have been backed up. And three people were bounced today who I didn't even mention in forum; explain that, genius.

I back the Game Mods a 1000% was the only process you supported a few days ago; what a hypocrite when your buds go down for cheating! Unbelievable!

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Originally posted by Nordlys
I agree with you that those who are accused should get a chance to defend themselves, but I don't see where being the top player comes into this. People shouldn't be treated differently because of their rank (it would actually be quite ironic to treat people better because of their rank when this rank was achieved by cheating).
My point is if Ironman/Dantes is Afro and just happens to be the strongest CORRESPONDENCE player at this site then shouldn't he be given the chance to defend himself? Shouldn’t anyone?

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Originally posted by fierytorment
They had a fair trial, they had a chance to defend themselves, they were proven guilty,


see where I am going with this?
If you analyze the games of the people who were banned you would know the truth. I have. Have you?

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If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck.............

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Originally posted by no1marauder
You are so full of it; YOU NEVER PROPOSED ANYTHING LIKE THAT UNTIL TODAY!! You didn't support my proposal made back in December for certain due process rights! Your gall is absolutely incredible!

I and you have no idea if the Mods were lukewarm about my evidence; remember there were only two Game Mods at the time (until my Game Mod thread ser ...[text shortened]... ou supported a few days ago; what a hypocrite when your buds go down for cheating! Unbelievable!
I bumped your Game Mods post in General partly to give people a chance to read my reactions to your proposals, I think you'll find I agree with them. Twit.

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Originally posted by Exy
I'm sorry but I don't see how wanting a system that is "fair" and "just" is idiosyncratic to my position?! Can anyone say that without a doubt that Ironman31 has been banned on the basis of indisputable evidence, cos if that evidence is just Fritz match ups then the OFFICIAL GAME MODS / SITE ADMINS would be giving no secrets away to admit that and illustrate it with one or two examples.
It's pointless debating it with them Exy.
They've got the Bush mentality down to a tea.

They're right, there's no nuances and there's absolutely no middle ground. They're right. End of story.

It doesn't make any difference whether you're talking about WMD, drugs, abortion or cheating. When folk are on quest, nothing will deter them from it.
Logic, rationality and patience no longer exist.

Fear and frenzy...that's all it is.

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I back the Game Mods a 1000% was the only process you supported a few days ago; what a hypocrite when your buds go down for cheating! Unbelievable!
Can you please explain exactly how you judge Ironman to be my bud? You're talking nonsense and simply distracting attention from the key points - I don't care who is banned, but I want to know why, on what evidence and that they had a chance to defend themselves.

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Originally posted by Exy
My point is if Ironman/Dantes is Afro and just happens to be the strongest CORRESPONDENCE player at this site then shouldn't he be given the chance to defend himself? Shouldn’t anyone?
My point is "shouldn't anyone?". The "if" is totally irrelevant.

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Originally posted by Exy
My point is if Ironman/Dantes is xxxxxxand just happens to be the strongest CORRESPONDENCE player at this site then shouldn't he be given the chance to defend himself? Shouldn’t anyone?
xxxxxxwas a 1900 rated correspondence player 12 YEARS AGO who hasn't played in a tournament since!! Now he's supposed to be matching up with engines more than Kasparov does in his correspondence games????? And unlike Kaspy, he plays a 100-150 moves a day! Cut the s**t!

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Originally posted by Exy
I'm sorry but I don't see how wanting a system that is "fair" and "just" is idiosyncratic to my position?! Can anyone say that without a doubt that Ironman31 has been banned on the basis of indisputable evidence, cos if that evidence is just Fritz match ups then the OFFICIAL GAME MODS / SITE ADMINS would be giving no secrets away to admit that and illustrate it with one or two examples.
The game mods probably ( I know I can not speak for them ) have done more then just use Fritz analyses. You seem to forget that also David Tebb is part of the game modds, somebody who has unrivaled support on this site as being one of the very best.

The choice not presenting the evidence is the admins choice, not yours and not mine. Would I like to see it? Of course I do ... but I am on this site by my own choice. If I don't like its policy I will ask a refund and leave. This is a business not a "real life democracy". You will have to learn to live with that.

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Nobody liked my public process idea many many months ago. 🙁

http://www.redhotpawn.com/board/showthread.php?threadid=18522

--tmetzler

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Unacceptable,

kicking a guy off the site without a chance to defend himself?

thats not right. (neither is cheating)

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