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24 Jan 05
30 Jun 05
Originally posted by schakuhrI dunno, I think we might need a sac to try to get some counterplay, so how about?
I say Nd7, to provoke Nxf7.
Edit: the point was: 21. ...Nd7 22. Nxf7 Rf5! 23. Rxf5 exf5 24. Nd5 Nxd5 25. exd5 Qxd5.
It doesn't look good though, because 22. Qc3! Ra4/a6 23. Nxd7 Qxd7 24. d5! rips our position apart.
21...Nd7 22. Qc3 Nxe5 23. Qxa5 Nxc4 24. Qxa7 Qb4 25. b3 Na3+ should get us at least a draw?
Am I missing something?
D
30 Jun 05
Originally posted by Ragnorakwhat if he refuses the sacrifice with 23. dxe5!? ?
I dunno, I think we might need a sac to try to get some counterplay, so how about?
21...Nd7 22. Qc3 Nxe5 23. Qxa5 Nxc4 24. Qxa7 Qb4 25. b3 Na3+ should get us at least a draw?
Am I missing something?
D
Or if he plays 24. Qc5.
21...Nd7 22. Qc3 Nxe5 23. Qxa5 Nxc4 24. Qxa7 Qb4 25. b3 Na3+ 26. Kb2 Nc4+ 27. Kc2 and then? 27. ...Na3+ 28. Kd3 and the attack is over. dont know if we can get something out of it.
30 Jun 05
Originally posted by schakuhrRefusing with 23. dxe5 is no problem. I think we have a bit of a problem on the f-file at the moment, as he can bring forward his g pawn, and we have no way of further reinforcing out pieces, so the way I see it, we're going to lose a pawn there eventually as things stand. If he refuses the sac, then we have gotten rid of that problem and are at parity with him.
what if he refuses the sacrifice with 23. dxe5!? ?
Or if he plays 24. Qc5.
21...Nd7 22. Qc3 Nxe5 23. Qxa5 Nxc4 24. Qxa7 Qb4 25. b3 Na3+ 26. Kb2 Nc4+ 27. Kc2 and then? 27. ...Na3+ 28. Kd3 and the attack is over. dont know if we can get something out of it.
24. Qc5 is a big problem. I missed that.
D
01 Jul 05
Originally posted by schakuhrWell let me give some thoughts:
what do we play against 21. ...c5 22. dxc5 ?
and 22. Qc3.
Edit: as pointed out by the jitty slitter, 22. d5 doesn't seem nice too.
After 22.dxc5? Qxc5 is attacking the Knight at e5. If 23.Nd3 Qxh5 seems good for Black. So here Black is OK;
22.Qc3!? Qc7 23.d5! Nxh5 24.d6! Qb6 25.d7+ Kb8 26.Rxf7 + - and the pawn will be promoted. Huge material loss on Black's part, variation is almost forced;
and lastly:
22.d5! exf5 again puts pressure on the knight at e5 23.Qc3! and things look grim after 23...Qc7 24.cxd5 and the "d"-pawn is going to cause a lot of trouble. Stable positional advantage and clear domination of White's pieces .
So it seems 21...c5 is an adventourous move that ruins Black's position and is based only upon the blundering 22.dxc5? on White's part.
01 Jul 05
Originally posted by ilywrinWell let me give some thoughts:
Well let me give some thoughts:
After 22.dxc5? Qxc5 is attacking the Knight at e5. If 23.Nd3 Qxh5 seems good for Black. So here Black is OK;
22.Qc3!? Qc7 23.d5! Nxh5 24.d6! Qb6 25.d7+ Kb8 26.Rxf7 + - and the pawn will be promoted. Huge material loss on Black's part, variation is almost forced;
and lastly:
22.d5! exf5 again puts pressure on the knight at ...[text shortened]... that ruins Black's position and is based only upon the blundering 22.dxc5? on White's part.
After 22.dxc5? Qxc5 is attacking the Knight at e5. If 23.Nd3 Qxh5 seems good for Black. So here Black is OK;
22.Qc3!? Qc7 23.d5! Nxh5 24.d6! Qb6 25.d7+ Kb8 26.Rxf7 + - and the pawn will be promoted. Huge material loss on Black's part, variation is almost forced;
What about 23. ...Ra6 ? (in both variations)
01 Jul 05
Originally posted by schakuhrI presume you mean after 23.Qc3!? and after 23.d5!?
What about 23. ...Ra6 ? (in both variations)
Okay, to start with the first.
23.Qc3!? Ra6 24.dxc5 Qxc5 25.Rfd4! and White has full control over the "d"- file; the knight is invincible:25...Qxe5 26.Rd8+ Rxd8 27.Rxd8+ Kxd8 28.Qxe5 +- and Black's position is too uncomfortable.
Next comes
23.d5 exd5 24.Qc3! Ra6 25.cxd5 Rd8 /25...Nxh5? 26.Qh3+/ 26.Rc4 Rxd5 27.Rxd5 Nxd5 28.Rxc5+ Nc7 with an unclear position;
Have to look at that more closely... It does not seem that bad now.
01 Jul 05
Originally posted by schakuhrI have given the line for the second in my previous post /staring with "Next comes..."/(just messed up the notation/ or was it altered move order?). Seems to leave Black in the game.
I meant after 21. ...c5 22. Qc3!? Qc7 23. d5!
and after 21. ...c5 22. d5! exd5 23. Qc3.
As for the first, I seem to like it even better. White has to take care of the
"h"-pawn, which would give Black the much needed tempo for Rd8.
Hehehe,serves me well I quess, I should learn to look at all possibilities before jumping to conclusions.