15 Sep 05
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The alternative is 14. d5 as 14. ... bxc3 15. dxc6 Qxc6 16. Qxb3 is good for us 15. ... Qxd1 16. Rfxd1 b4 looks playable, if 14. ... exd5 15. Bxd5, and other moves allow dxe6 eg. 14. ... Bb7 15. dxe6 fxe6 16. Qxd7+ Rxd7 17. Bxe6.
Unless anyone sees a problem with it we should play it as the bishop gets in the way on c2.
15 Sep 05
Originally posted by SicilianNajdorfYes, but say everything is exchanged off: 14. d5 exd5 15. Bxd5 Bxd5 16. dxe5 Nxe5 17. Nxe5 Qxe5 18. Qxe5 Rxe5 19. Rxc7 and black has problems getting his king's rook into play, we get back the pawn on c7.
But doesn't he have enough attackers on d5 against 14.d5 ?
15 Sep 05
Originally posted by DeepThoughtHa, you overlooked 14.d5 Bb7! and if dxe6 Qxd1, exf7ch Kf8, Rfxd1 axb3 and you may wind up a piece down for two pawns.
The alternative is 14. d5 as 14. ... bxc3 15. dxc6 Qxc6 16. Qxb3 is good for us 15. ... Qxd1 16. Rfxd1 b4 looks playable, if 14. ... exd5 15. Bxd5, and other moves allow dxe6 eg. 14. ... Bb7 15. dxe6 fxe6 16. Qxd7+ Rxd7 17. Bxe6.
Unless anyone sees a problem with it we should play it as the bishop gets in the way on c2.
15 Sep 05
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Originally posted by Regicidal14. d5 Bb7 15. de Qxd1 16. ef+ Kf8 17. Rxd1 axb3 18. Rxd8 Bxd8 19. ab leaves us with three pawns for the piece, albeit some of them are doubled, but one is a big central supported passed pawn - easily worth it.
Ha, you overlooked 14.d5 Bb7! and if dxe6 Qxd1, exf7ch Kf8, Rfxd1 axb3 and you may wind up a piece down for two pawns.
Although yes I'd missed the consequences of the queen swap - hence the request for refutations...
15 Sep 05
Originally posted by DeepThoughtI don't think that line leaves us looking very good. After Kxf7, it's only two pawns for the piece. Plus, we're up against a bishop pair, we have doubled isolated pawns, and our majority's on the kingside. I'd say that doesn't look so good. After 14... Bb7 15. exd6 Qxd1 16. exf7+ Kf8 I'd certainly prefer 17. Bxd1 and after Kxf7, we're up a pawn. I'd say our position isn't quite as good, but it doesn't make up for the pawn the computer has lost.
14. d5 Bb7 (or a8?) 15. de Qxd1 16. ef+ Kf8 17. Rxd1 axb3 18. Rxd8 Bxd8 19. ab leaves us with three pawns for the piece, albeit some of them are doubled, but one is a big central supported passed pawn - easily worth it.
Although yes I'd missed the consequences of the queen swap - hence the request for refutations 😉
I'm voting for 14. d5 (3)
15 Sep 05
Originally posted by ark13Ok, I overlooked 17.Bxd1. However, dxe6 Qc8!, and white is screwed, no?
I don't think that line leaves us looking very good. After Kxf7, it's only two pawns for the piece. Plus, we're up against a bishop pair, we have doubled isolated pawns, and our majority's on the kingside. I'd say that doesn't look so good. After 14... Bb7 15. exd6 Qxd1 16. exf7+ Kf8 I'd certainly prefer 17. Bxd1 and after Kxf7, we're up a pawn. I ...[text shortened]... good, but it doesn't make up for the pawn the computer has lost.
I'm voting for 14. d5 (3)
16 Sep 05
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Originally posted by RegicidalThe daft thing is I didn't when I was originally working it out, I just forgot it when I was answering you and then did my pawn count wrong trying to improve at the end of your line.
Ok, I overlooked 17.Bxd1. However, dxe6 Qc8!, and white is screwed, no?
No, he hasn't taken the bishop so we can move it 14. d5 Bb7 15. dxe6 Qc8 16. exf7+ Kf8 17. Bd5 and if 17. ... c6 18. Nxb5. So that gains us a probably isolated pawn.