Originally posted by galveston75I didn't think you would want to continue. This is your usual approach when you run out of steam; refuse to discuss it anymore. I'm afraid I'm not going to drop it Galveston, you see I propose that you are a dishonest person who's motivation for recommencing posting this week was catalysed by you observing posters such as josephw calling me a Christian basher.
But I'm not you and have no desire to continue on with this subject.
I suggest that you have not been "away" but you have been lurking here and saw his comments, which you quoted in your abusive post to me, as an opportunity to join in the fight with one of the "big boys" against your playground enemy. Unfortunately you clearly have no idea what the fight was about.
You drape your subversive motives for reentry into the forum with reference about your ailing parents and you wife's "emergency surgery" in the same post where you call be an "antichrist" and describe me as being "like satan", perhaps hoping that you draw some sympathy from the regular contributors and deflect any potential scorn for your abuse of me. Indeed Bbar and a couple of others did pay their respects. I wonder what they thought of the rest of your post.
I wonder what your dear parents or your wife would think to see you using them for cover in this way. You are a crafty one Galveston, but I see the real you.
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Originally posted by RJHindsOh dear, I think you have me confused with someone who gives an ounce credence to you and your hell fire and brimstone assaults RJHinds.
I am sorry that what I said to you was so hurtful, but it is best for you to know the truth, so you have time to repent and be saved. I did not say anything that Jesus did not say about everlasting punishment. I am providing you with a warning instead of casting a stone. You would do good to heed that warning.
Edit: I said hateful, not hurtful.
19 Nov 14
Originally posted by lemon limeDo you agree with RJHinds that divegeester deserves to be burnt in hell for eternity because he rejects the doctrine of eternal suffering?
As the saying goes "You can't take it with you", but maybe God will make an exception in your case and allow you bring along a big bag of marshmallows...
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Anymore "Christians" want to have a pop at divegeester? Come on guys, here I am, a supposed Christian denouncing the belief of eternal suffering, denying your precious doctrine of death and vengeance.
Here I am "Christian bashing" those who believe it, "bashing" those who believe it but lack the courage to state it, "bashing" those who think I should burn in hell for eternity but lack the courage to say it. At least Ron actually says what he thinks.
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Originally posted by RJHindsIs there any reason to seriously think that imaginary threats of unimaginably vindictive violence can somehow make someone start believing something that they simply cannot and don't believe? Has your God figure really resorted to recruiting mean-spirited buffoons in cyberspace to issue morally incoherent, ludicrously self-righteous "warnings" in order to display His supposed "perfect justice" and "perfect love"?
I am sorry that what I said to you was so hurtful, but it is best for you to know the truth, so you have time to repent and be saved. I did not say anything that Jesus did not say about everlasting punishment. I am providing you with a warning instead of casting a stone. You would do good to heed that warning.
19 Nov 14
Originally posted by divegeesterOriginally posted by divegeester in reply to DeepThought
I'm coming to a realisation that most of my Christian colleagues here in this forum believe I should be burnt in hell for not believing in eternal suffering, you included. Those who disagree lack the courage to speak out against it. Some, like you, just lack the courage to speak out, preferring instead warm comfort of the passive aggressive jab.
The point of the process is punishment. Eternal punishment in the writhing agony of hell fire.
Rjhinds so wedded to this doctrine that he would prefer to see me burn in eternity than admit that the doctrine is pointless, vile, and brings the gospel into disrepute.
I find it extrordinary that a fellow Christian feels I should burn in hell for rejecting this doctrine.
Originally posted by Grampy Bobby (Page 20)
All believers in the person and work of Jesus Christ will reside in heaven with Him for eternity. Those who have grown in grace by learning the absolute truths revealed in the Word of God will be given rewards for glorifying Him in time. Period.
Originally posted by divegeester
"I'm coming to a realisation that most of my Christian colleagues here in this forum believe I should be burnt in hell for not believing in eternal suffering, you included..."
dive, this persecution rant isn't even tangentially in line with the Word of God: Christians will reside in heaven for eternity.
19 Nov 14
Originally posted by Grampy BobbySo do you agree with RJHinds or not?
Originally posted by divegeester in reply to DeepThought
The point of the process is punishment. Eternal punishment in the writhing agony of hell fire.
Rjhinds so wedded to this doctrine that he would prefer to see me burn in eternity than admit that the doctrine is pointless, vile, and brings the gospel into disrepute.
I find it extrord ...[text shortened]... tangentially in line with the Word of God: Christians will reside in heaven for eternity.
19 Nov 14
Originally posted by divegeesterOriginally posted by Grampy Bobby (Page 21)
So do you agree with RJHinds or not?
dive, the Great White Throne Judgment will be covered in "God's Person..." in conjunction with God's attributes in due time:
"10 And the devil who deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are also; and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever. 11 Then I saw a great white throne and Him who sat upon it, from whose presence earth and heaven fled away, and no place was found for them. 12 And I saw the dead, the great and the small, standing before the throne, and books were opened; and another book was opened, which is the book of life; and the dead were judged from the things which were written in the books, according to their deeds. 13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead which were in them; and they were judged, every one of them according to their deeds. 14 Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire. 15 And if anyone’s name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire." Revelation 20:10-15 (New American Standard Bible)... Please note that the two books opened make no mention of sin.
19 Nov 14
Originally posted by Grampy BobbyIt's fine if you don't want to answer; I just keep asking as you keep posting irrelevancies. All is good.
Originally posted by Grampy Bobby (Page 21)
dive, the Great White Throne Judgment will be covered in "God's Person..." in conjunction with God's attributes in due time:
"10 And the devil who deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are also; and they will be tormented day and night fo ...[text shortened]... American Standard Bible)... Please note that the two books opened make no mention of sin.
19 Nov 14
Originally posted by divegeester
It's fine if you don't want to answer; I just keep asking as you keep posting irrelevancies. All is good.
10 And the devil who deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are also; and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.That's sounding like a yes to me. Which frankly is nuts, I find it difficult to believe that an all-powerful, all-knowing, all-loving entity would condemn atheists to that; never mind someone just because they are a non-denominational Unitarian (I hope you find the categorization acceptable, I'm trying to capture that you disagree with organised religion, or at least power bloc religion, and disagree with the Trinity).
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Originally posted by DeepThoughtThat's sounding like a yes to me. Which frankly is nuts, I find it difficult to believe that an all-powerful, all-knowing, all-loving entity wou ...[text shortened]... sagree with organised religion, or at least power bloc religion, and disagree with the Trinity).[/b]Agreed, but I'm pressing him on wether he agrees with our resident witchfinder general RJHinds, who claims that I deserve to burn in hell for eternity because I don't accept the doctrine of eternal suffering. GB won't explicitly say so, which I'm assuming means: he agrees.10 And the devil who deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the [b]false prophetare also; and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.
I'm sure the Hinds thinks I should burn for rejecting the trinity and not belonging to a denomination and possibly because I occasionally piss on the side of the pan. Never mind Calvary, staying out of hell is a tough game these days!
19 Nov 14
Originally posted by DeepThought in reply to divegeesterOriginally posted by DeepThought in reply to divegeester10 And the devil who deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are also; and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.That's sounding like a yes to me. Which frankly is nuts, I find it difficult to believe that an all-powerful, all-knowing, ...[text shortened]... u disagree with organised religion, or at least power bloc religion, and disagree with the Trinity).
10 And the devil who deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are also; and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.That's sounding like a yes to me. [DT, please consider the eternal issues in the context of the Divine Integrity of God.] Which frankly is nuts, I find it difficult to believe that an all-powerful, all-knowing, all-loving entity would condemn atheists to that; [Of course you do; your volition has uncharacteristically opted out of even giving accurate information regarding "The Person of God..." a fair shake.] never mind someone just because they are a non-denominational Unitarian (I hope you find the categorization acceptable, [Is that your childhood background frame of reference?] I'm trying to capture that you disagree with organised religion, or at least power bloc religion, [These are all manmade and seek to gain the approbation of God through their own self righteous works which are totally incompatible with the Divine Righteousness of God and His plan of reconciliation of the depraved human race to Himself through the Risen Christ's substitutionary spiritual death/work on our behalf. Christianity is not a religion: It's a relationship with God Himself in time and eternity. Accepting His grace is an option for intellectuals as well and the single most significant decision of their lives with either an extraordinary upside or grim consequences.] and disagree with the Trinity [What, my friend, do you even know with certainty about the "Trinity" from an authoritative source?). Comments interjected in brackets. Italics mine. Please see: Thread 161456 Thanks. -Bob
19 Nov 14
Originally posted by divegeesterYou'd be wise to drop your penchant for intruding personalities for the purpose of attack. Focus objectively on God's Word.
Agreed, but I'm pressing him on wether he agrees with our resident witchfinder general RJHinds, who claims that I [b]deserve to burn in hell for eternity because I don't accept the doctrine of eternal suffering. GB won't explicitly say so, which I'm assuming means: he agrees.
I'm sure the Hinds thinks I should burn for rejecting the trinity and n ...[text shortened]... piss on the side of the pan. Never mind Calvary, staying out of hell is a tough game these days![/b]