Barriers to belief

Originally posted by Eladar
This falls back to Christianity being a nebulous term.

My God is the creator and the created have no right to either judge the creator or usurp the position of the creator.

The nature of hell is God's responsibility. It is not our position to judge it.

We are not taking about God's responsibility we are talking about your responsibility to be accountable for what you believe.

Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
What is your line of thinking on this issue? You seem to be a Calvanist?

My position is that we can never know until the end. Wait for the end of the race and allow God to make the call.

Originally posted by divegeester
We are not taking about God's responsibility we are talking about your responsibility to be accountable for what you believe.

I am not sure about exactly where in the Bible it states that what we believe about heaven or hell is a salvation issue.

From my observation those topics bring up useless division.

Originally posted by Eladar
I am not sure about exactly where in the Bible it states that what we believe about heaven or hell is a salvation issue.

From my observation those topics bring up useless division.

No one is saying it a "salvation issue".

Do you think this forum is anything else other than "useless division"?

Originally posted by divegeester
No one is saying it a "salvation issue".

Do you think this forum is anything else other than "useless division"?

Paul says we should not create division over debatable issues.

So I would avoid that discussion anywhere.

Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
What specific evidence might that be? Less than 18 words will suffice.

You already have the answer you're going to get.

Originally posted by Eladar
Paul says we should not create division over debatable issues.

So I would avoid that discussion anywhere.

So why are you suddenly here, in this forum?

Originally posted by divegeester
So why are you suddenly here, in this forum?

Kd was continuing into religious stuff better fit for here. That is what the "Jesus died for all" thread was all about.

Originally posted by Eladar
Kd was continuing into religious stuff better fit for here. That is what the "Jesus died for all" thread was all about.

Sorry, you were explaining why you have suddenly started posting in a spirituality forum when you don't want to discuss key spirituality issues.

Originally posted by divegeester
Sorry, you were explaining why you have suddenly started posting in a spirituality forum when you don't want to discuss key spirituality issues.

What is key for one person is unimportant to another.

I've heard three different theories on the subject...

Traditional burn forever in fire and brimstone

Eternal separation from God

Burned up in the fire and no longer exist

Originally posted by Eladar
What is key for one person is unimportant to another.

Yes this is a convenient platitude by you; however the reality of the debate is such that the juxtaposition of a god who is either ultimately loving, merciful and benign or ultimately judgemental, genocidal and psychotic, is a fairly important discussion to most here.

Originally posted by Eladar
I've heard three different theories on the subject...

Traditional burn forever in fire and brimstone [etc.]

Do you think that a god figure who [1] tortures non-believers in a furnace for eternity as an angry form of revenge for their lack of belief, on one hand, and a god figure who [2] grants eternal life to certain people while all those who don't make the cut simply cease to exist, on the other, are gods with essentially the same nature? Or do you think that they appear to be completely different entities?

Originally posted by FMF
Do you think that a god figure who [1] tortures non-believers in a furnace for eternity as an angry form of revenge for their lack of belief, on one hand, and a god figure who [2] grants eternal life to certain people while all those who don't make the cut simply cease to exist, on the other, are gods with essentially the same nature? Or do you think that they appear to be completely different entities?

I think that God's nature is above us. We do not judge God one way or the other.

Originally posted by Eladar
I think that God's nature is above us. We do not judge God one way or the other.

That is not even remotely what I asked you. Look again. Do the two gods described have essentially the same nature? Or do you think that they could be more realistically described as being two completely different entities?

Originally posted by FMF
That is not even remotely what I asked you. Look again. Do the two gods described have essentially the same nature? Or do you think that they could be more realistically described as being two completely different entities?

I assume you are describing God. If you are then I answered your question.

I do not judge the nature of either.