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Originally posted by divegeesterSo you believe it is possible for someone who had real faith to loose it? What does that say about God being the author and finisher of his faith? Did God do an incomplete work in FMFs life?
You go back and read it. He says very clearly, as I stated, that at the time, it was very real to him. Later in life, now, he looks back and realises it wasn't. Where is the dupp;icity in this? It is completely congruent with his claims to have once been a genuine, sincere and committed Christian, and who now isn't.
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Originally posted by divegeesterNo need to chat too much with you divegeester.
Well you only arrived in here a couple of days ago; let's chat again once you've been a few laps round the track with "fetch".
You call sound NT teaching "mumbo jumbo."
Such a poor attitude doesn't encourage me to chat much.
Identifying difficulties and countering with reasoned alternative views, I don't mind at all.
Dismissing my fellowship as "mumbo jumbo" is too cheap.
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Originally posted by sonshipYou've called me much worse things sonship. Hypocrite much?
No need to chat too much with you divegeester.
You call sound NT teaching "mumbo jumbo."
Such a poor attitude doesn't encourage me to chat much.
Identifying difficulties and countering with reasoned alternative views, I don't mind at all.
Dismissing my fellowship as "mumbo jumbo" is too cheap.
Oh and yes what you "teach" is often mumbo-jumbo. Remember the city of water recently, and the infamous aliens on other worlds watching the Lost being hung in chains of eternal punishment as a warning to them; as a couple of classic examples?
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23 Nov 16
Originally posted by FetchmyjunkRead the parable of the sower and then get back to me.
So you believe it is possible for someone who had real faith to loose it? What does that say about God being the author and finisher of his faith? Did God do an incomplete work in FMFs life?
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Originally posted by divegeesterParable of the sower explained by Jesus
Read the parable of the sower and then get back to me.
Listen then to what the parable of the sower means: 19 When anyone hears the message about the kingdom and does not understand it, the evil one comes and snatches away what was sown in their heart. This is the seed sown along the path. 20 The seed falling on rocky ground refers to someone who hears the word and at once receives it with joy. 21 But since they have no root, they last only a short time. When trouble or persecution comes because of the word, they quickly fall away. 22 The seed falling among the thorns refers to someone who hears the word, but the worries of this life and the deceitfulness of wealth choke the word, making it unfruitful. 23 But the seed falling on good soil refers to someone who hears the word and understands it. This is the one who produces a crop, yielding a hundred, sixty or thirty times what was sown.”
Notice Jesus blames the type of heart not God failing.
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Originally posted by EladarAgreed. It not just the heart, the seed was also snatched away by the birds.
Parable of the sower explained by Jesus
[b]Listen then to what the parable of the sower means: 19 When anyone hears the message about the kingdom and does not understand it, the evil one comes and snatches away what was sown in their heart. This is the seed sown along the path. 20 The seed falling on rocky ground refers to someone who hears the word and at ...[text shortened]... or thirty times what was sown.”
Notice Jesus blames the type of heart not God failing.[/b]
Not clear on what your point is though.
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23 Nov 16
Originally posted by EladarThe teaching that billions of people will be supernaturally kept alive in a place especially designed and created for its purpose, while the loving Jesus spectates with his angels...isn't worth discussing, but you still believe it's true?
I just said it isn't important to me. If it doesn't matter to me then how is it the most important?
It could be literal fire. It could be simply separation from God. When it comes to things that do not concern salvation, I don't concern myself nor do I care.
Make assumptions about it if you like. It is your free will to do so.
23 Nov 16
Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk[1] The stuff Christians believe about God, Jesus and themselves. [2] I lost my belief in the veracity of the supposed evidence.
[1]Which stuff did you have faith in that turned out not to be real? [2] And how did you know they were not real?
I have told you these things over and over and over again.
23 Nov 16
Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk to divegeesterWhy are you pretending not to understand?
Go and read FMFs post on page 19 of this thread. These are his exact words, "Of course what I believed to be real was, in fact, not real."
My faith was real. It was genuine. It was sincere. It was longstanding. It was stitched into every facet of my life and underpinned my every action. It was real to me.
As my beliefs changed, I realized that the things I had believed were not real.
This does not mean that my faith was not real.
23 Nov 16
Originally posted by divegeesterNot to me.
The teaching that billions of people will be supernaturally kept alive in a place especially designed and created for its purpose, while the loving Jesus spectates with his angels...isn't worth discussing, but you still believe it's true?