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Originally posted by Eladar
Conservative means I believe the Bible is a work of God through men. In other words literally true.
Everything in the Bible is true AND literal?

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Pentecostals don't they believe in talking in tongues?

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Originally posted by divegeester
Everything in the Bible is true AND literal?
Yep except the parables and illustrations and such.

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Originally posted by Eladar
Pentecostals don't they believe in talking in tongues?
Some used to I think; no idea these days.

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Originally posted by Eladar
Yep except the parables and illustrations and such.
So you're an eternal suffering in hell proponent?

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Originally posted by Eladar
Yep except the parables and illustrations and such.
What does "and such" cover? Sounds suspiciously like a Cherry Picker's Swiss army knife type tool.

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Originally posted by FMF
What does "and such" cover? Sounds suspiciously like a Cherry Picker's Swiss army knife type tool.
What does "illustrations" cover for that matter.

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Originally posted by Eladar
I will go put on a limb here and say...

Fetch is a onced saved always saved baptist

You are or were at one point a Jewish sect kind of guy

Fmf was a moderate christian who ran into the old testament
What gave you that impression?

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Originally posted by divegeester
So you're an eternal suffering in hell proponent?
Sure but it isn't my call. Doesn't really matter what I think about it.

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Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
What gave you that impression?
Eternal security being such a big issue.

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Originally posted by FMF
What does "and such" cover? Sounds suspiciously like a Cherry Picker's Swiss army knife type tool.
Stories that are obviously used to illustrate.

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Originally posted by divegeester
I don't know someone's spiritual state only god knows.

If you are asking is it possible that someone can lose their faith and not their salvation my answer is yes, but as I said earlier, it depends on how you define "faith"
How do you define faith? Do you believe someone who had genuine faith can loose it? And can someone who lives in willful sin and defiance retain their salvation even if they never repent?

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Originally posted by Eladar
Sure but it isn't my call. Doesn't really matter what I think about it.
That's just a cop out. Might as well say why does it matter what anyone thinks about anything?

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Originally posted by FMF
My faith was most certainly genuine in the sense that it was sincere and very real to me at the time. But, as you know, I do not now hold the claims that Christians make about Jesus and about a 'revealed god' to be true. And, as you also know, I accept you at your word when you say that, currently, your faith is sincere and very real to you; indeed, I can empathize fully.
Your faith was either real or it wasn't. So which was it?

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Can faith grow if it is not true?

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