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Originally posted by EladarOK, so it's the single most important element of your version of salvation and an apocalyptically horrendous teaching - but according to you it's not worth talking about.
No because the defition of sin matters. Call evil good and good evil then you end up not in heaven. You could burn for eternity or not it is not my call. I'd say you probably will.
Salvation issues are important. Debatable mayters are nit important.
I think you are just embarrassed about it, to be honest.
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Originally posted by FetchmyjunkI may be mistaken, but I have never once heard FMF say that his christian faith, at the time, was not very real. I think you are just making this up.
He said he thought it was real initially but now he knows it wasn't. So clearly now he thinks it wasn't real then even if he thought it was real at the time. He can't have it both ways. Either it was real initially or it wasn't. So that why I would like to know which it was?
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Originally posted by divegeesterI just said it isn't important to me. If it doesn't matter to me then how is it the most important?
OK, so it's the single most important element of your version of salvation and an apocalyptically horrendous teaching - but according to you it's not worth talking about.
I think you are just embarrassed about it, to be honest.
It could be literal fire. It could be simply separation from God. When it comes to things that do not concern salvation, I don't concern myself nor do I care.
Make assumptions about it if you like. It is your free will to do so.
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Fetchmyjunk,
Your posts are very worthwhile. And you should not listen to unfair criticisms of divegeester.
I believe that some readers are assisted to get some things sorted out logically in considering the Christian faith.
Do you derive some benefit from author Paul Copan by any chance?
Doesn't hurt to ask.
Some of his books -
True For You But Not For Me,
God Goes to Starbucks,
How Do You Know You're Not Wrong?
That's Just Your Interpretation"
for example ?
23 Nov 16
Originally posted by divegeesterGo and read FMFs post on page 19 of this thread. These are his exact words, "Of course what I believed to be real was, in fact, not real."
I may be mistaken, but I have never once heard FMF say that his christian faith, at the time, was not very real. I think you are just making this up.
23 Nov 16
Originally posted by sonshipI have never heard of him before. But will definitely look into it. Thanks!
Fetchmyjunk,
Your posts are very worthwhile. And you should not listen to unfair criticisms of divegeester.
I believe that some readers are assisted to get some things sorted out logically in considering the Christian faith.
Do you derive some benefit from author Paul Copan by any chance?
Doesn't hurt to ask.
Some of his books ...[text shortened]... ks,
How Do You Know You're Not Wrong?
That's Just Your Interpretation"
for example ?[/b]
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Originally posted by FetchmyjunkYou go back and read it. He says very clearly, as I stated, that at the time, it was very real to him. Later in life, now, he looks back and realises it wasn't. Where is the dupp;icity in this? It is completely congruent with his claims to have once been a genuine, sincere and committed Christian, and who now isn't.
Go and read FMFs post on page 19 of this thread. These are his exact words, "Of course what I believed to be real was, in fact, not real."