14 Oct 23
@Rajk999
The part that I had in mind was 7:22 where Jesus talks about demons being expelled in his name.
It could be that he was exaggerating to make a point, that it doesn’t matter what you do, it’s in vain if you dont have good standing?
14 Oct 23
@medullah saidYour second question I gave a direct answer to another, before this response.
@KellyJay
So thank you for the definition which seems pretty clear to me.
I would say two things. First of all the case of righteousness is covered by Abraham, who was attributed Righteousness by faith. So I like that because even if we keep falling short of the mark, faith can carry us through?
I do believe that is possible to do what is considered yet be fine work ...[text shortened]... t appears to be);fine works but are rejected because they were found to be lawless. Your thoughts ?
Abraham believed God, that is not faith in faith, it is faith in God. Abraham believed God and it was counted to him as righteousness. It's God, not us that carries us through. This is not like the force in Star Wars, we cannot think our way to God, we cannot work our way to God, and there is nothing we can do to compel God to save us. It all rests with God, and I'm so thankful for that, I know I fail Him, as everyone here who reads me, I blunder to put it nicely, sin to be more accurate.
People put their faith in God to see them through, and that is far better than us earning it, or generating something within us to be worthy, we can trust in Christ's redemption, the shedding of His blood on the cross is what makes us saved, trusting in His love and shed blood is better than any merit system we invent.
14 Oct 23
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@ghost-of-a-duke saidThat was an example of being a good neighbor, we are to do good to others, but if we credit all the good we do to ourselves and trust in ourselves, we are no different than the priest who thanked God he was not like the tax collector who wouldn't lift up his eyes to God, but asked to be forgiven. Self-righteousness is not trusting in God's righteousness.
Cough cough, the good Samaritan.
2 Corinthians 5:21
For our sake he made him to be sin who knew no sin, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God.
Psalm 24:5
He will receive blessing from the Lord and righteousness from the God of his salvation.
Matthew 6:33
But seek first the kingdom of God and his righteousness, and all these things will be added to you.
Romans 1:17
For in it the righteousness of God is revealed from faith for faith, as it is written, “The righteous shall live by faith.”
Romans 3:22
the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all who believe. For there is no distinction:
The righteousness of God makes us righteous, then the sanctification begins, but we get right first not the other way around.
14 Oct 23
@medullah saidBeing born again is an act of God, not ourselves. We are currently dead in our sins, dead people cannot do anything to make themselves alive, and a bad drug experience can change a personality, not the same thing.
Thank you, I missed that bit.
Ok, so reading through the other stuff, do you distinguish between being born again and putting on a new personality?
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14 Oct 23
@kellyjay saidThat's really all you got from the good Samaritan, to be a good neighbour?!
That was an example of being a good neighbor,
It was far more than that. It was an example of not only loving your neighbour but of loving ones enemy. It was the key facet of righteousness, of the greatest commandment.
So yes, ANYONE can do the righteous works of God without first being made righteous by God.
14 Oct 23
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@medullah saidIts exactly that verse with the 'wonderful works'. Here it is : Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? (Matthew 7:22 KJV) . You used 'fine works', so I was asking what version were you quoting from.
@Rajk999
The part that I had in mind was 7:22 where Jesus talks about demons being expelled in his name.
It could be that he was exaggerating to make a point, that it doesn’t matter what you do, it’s in vain if you dont have good standing?
Jesus said what point he was making. Jesus very rarely leave it for people to guess. Here is the point continued from v 23, where Jesus explains what is good standing., and it has nothing to do with professing faith. Its all about DOING what Jesus said aka keeping the commandments
And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock: And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock. And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand: And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it. (Matthew 7:23-27 KJV)
Its a simple point Jesus made dozens of times. The man who hear his teachings and DOETH THEM, is a wise man. Notice, it is the man who DO. Hearers, professers of faith and others are not wise, they are the foolish Jesus described.
14 Oct 23
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@ghost-of-a-duke saidThats all he wants to get from the Good Samaritan parable. Jesus was answering a question about what one needs to do to get eternal life. Basically Jesus said to go do like the Good Samaritan, and you will get eternal life. This point was driven home in Matt 25.
That's really all you got from the good Samaritan, to be a good neighbour?!
It was far more than that. It was an example of not only loving your neighbour but of loving ones enemy. It was the key facet of righteousness, of the greatest commandment.
So yes, ANYONE can do the righteous works of God without first being made righteous by God.
15 Oct 23
@ghost-of-a-duke saidDefinitely had a thing for women in bathtubs.
David was also a bit of a rogue.
15 Oct 23
@ghost-of-a-duke saidYou simply ignored the point that the works of God, actually requires God, otherwise they are just works. We all can give water to the thirsty, but we all have a tainted nature that does pollutes all we do. So even if the act is the same it is not.
That's really all you got from the good Samaritan, to be a good neighbour?!
It was far more than that. It was an example of not only loving your neighbour but of loving ones enemy. It was the key facet of righteousness, of the greatest commandment.
So yes, ANYONE can do the righteous works of God without first being made righteous by God.
You realize the scriptures are quite clear about how dirty our righteousness is before God. If I am correct the rags our righteous is compared to are what women used during their time of the month.
