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@kellyjay saidHang on Kelly. We are debating your OP and the stuff that spins off from it. How else is anyone to do that without reference to the scriptures?
Why do you use scripture to correct? Do you worship it or something, hypocrite?
You have no idea about the Spirit of God whom Jesus said He was going to send when He left, you deny, you lie, and what you do not do is properly interpret the scriptures, by adding and subtraction things to make it mean what you want. If the scriptures clearly say something you do not li ...[text shortened]... you think say what you want, and your anti-Christ cheering sections think you are doing a great job!
Furthermore we are dealing with a book that has most definitely been tinkered with; nuance can change with translation.
What you think the scriptures clearly say could easily vary to somebody else depending on what translation they are used to working with and whatever other studying they have done? it doesn't make them a bad person.
I can also tell you that that there is no way that Raj is the Anti-Christ; his rum drinking brother maybe 😛.
On the subject of the Anti-Christ, do you have any idea yet who it is likely to be?
When i was a kid this whole Anti-Christ thing was almost unheard of, and then they brought out "The Omen" and it seems to have taken off since then.
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@rajk999 saidThe question was about eternal life the answer was love the Lord, it then changed to who is my neighbor, then who behaved properly as a neighbor. The question answers are something you should pay attention to details.
Thats all he wants to get from the Good Samaritan parable. Jesus was answering a question about what one needs to do to get eternal life. Basically Jesus said to go do like the Good Samaritan, and you will get eternal life. This point was driven home in Matt 25.
Loving the Lord and our neighbor are the top two commands Jesus was highlighting, and if you take the Lord out of anything talked about by Jesse, you are not paying attention, which you typically ignore for your own personal preferences.
@medullah saidRaj speaks out of two sides of his mouth when it comes to scripture, he uses it to justify himself and condemns others.
Hang on Kelly. We are debating your OP and the stuff that spins off from it. How else is anyone to do that without reference to the scriptures?
Furthermore we are dealing with a book that has most definitely been tinkered with; nuance can change with translation.
What you think the scriptures clearly say could easily vary to somebody else depending on what translation ...[text shortened]... s almost unheard of, and then they brought out "The Omen" and it seems to have taken off since then.
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@bigdogg saidAnyone can do a good work like giving water to the thirsty, that doesn’t mean the motivations in play can’t run counter to the one that was helped. We are talking about the nature of God and man, one is good, but only one, that is God not man.
Good works are worth doing on their own merit.
Why do them to please some god being who may or may not exist, when you can do them to increase happiness of real people, whom everyone knows exist.
It does not have to be any more complicated.
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@bigdogg saidThats basically what Jesus preached. Just do the good works. You dont need any reason. Be a good neighbour. Christians want people to believe only they can do good works. Everyone elses works is $hitty works. They are so stupid.
Good works are worth doing on their own merit.
Why do them to please some god being who may or may not exist, when you can do them to increase happiness of real people, whom everyone knows exist.
It does not have to be any more complicated.
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@medullah saidOf course, Satan and I have regular rum-drinking sessions. KJ is just jealous he cannot join us.
Hang on Kelly. We are debating your OP and the stuff that spins off from it. How else is anyone to do that without reference to the scriptures?
Furthermore we are dealing with a book that has most definitely been tinkered with; nuance can change with translation.
What you think the scriptures clearly say could easily vary to somebody else depending on what translation ...[text shortened]... s almost unheard of, and then they brought out "The Omen" and it seems to have taken off since then.
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@kellyjay saidDo you get the point that being a good neighbour isn't just about lending somebody a lawnmower? The Good Samaritan is about loving your neighbour (every neighbour) as you love yourself.
You simply ignored the point that the works of God, actually requires God, otherwise they are just works. We all can give water to the thirsty, but we all have a tainted nature that does pollutes all we do. So even if the act is the same it is not.
You realize the scriptures are quite clear about how dirty our righteousness is before God. If I am correct the rags our righteous is compared to are what women used during their time of the month.
You also seem to be ignoring the part about the law of God being written on your heart, engraved into your very conscience. How is somebody, even a non believer, adhering to their God given conscience, not carrying out God's work?
And you can view your own righteousness in such a degrading way if you wish. I find your pessimistic and dismissive attitude towards the human capacity to do good as thoroughly depressing.
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@kellyjay saidDoes every non believer who gives water to the thirsty have some sinister motive for doing so? Do you really have such a low opinion of humanity? - If you were to lose your faith tomorrow would you suddenly start running around raping and pillaging? Do you have no moral compass whatsoever when it comes to your own humanity?
Anyone can do a good work like giving water to the thirsty, that doesn’t mean the motivations in play can’t run counter to the one that was helped. We are talking about the nature of God and man, one is good, but only one, that is God not man.
@kellyjay saidAn example of “being a good neighbour” would be you visiting all of yours and telling them to turn to Jesus or he will personally oversee them being burned alive for eternity.
That was an example of being a good neighbor
Edit: In fact I would say this would be the most important thing you should be doing every day, given your personal belief about what your version of Jesus is really like.
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That is a very quite a moot point.
Christians are supposed to try and spread the word.
Mat 28: "19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: 20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen."
You won't get far with that one if you accuse people that disagree with your scriptual interpretation of being in league with the Anti-Christ.
@medullah saidWho are you talking to (Sir)?
That is a very quite a moot point.
Christians are supposed to try and spread the word.
Mat 28: "19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: 20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen."
You ...[text shortened]... use people that disagree with your scriptual interpretation of being in league with the Anti-Christ.
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@ghost-of-a-duke saidThe deed of the good Samaritan was more than just the good deeds done to the victim it was laying his life on the line as he did it. Samaritans and the Jews of the day hated each other, so taking him someplace Jewish with an injured Jew would be no different than an American Indian taking a cowboy into a town of people who hated Indians to help the cowboy (got this example from another) once depositing the cowboy would the Indian make it out alive?
Do you get the point that being a good neighbour isn't just about lending somebody a lawnmower? The Good Samaritan is about loving your neighbour (every neighbour) as you love yourself.
You also seem to be ignoring the part about the law of God being written on your heart, engraved into your very conscience. How is somebody, even a non believer, adhering to their G ...[text shortened]... pessimistic and dismissive attitude towards the human capacity to do good as thoroughly depressing.
I'm telling you if you claim to be doing God's work, you are inserting God into your life, and He is not a smorgasbord buffet where we get to pick and choose what we like and dislike about Him, take this, ignore that, Lord means Lord.
If you are only doing what you acknowledge as good in Jesus' name, that is different than having God in your life and following the lead of the Holy Spirit. One is on the outside looking in the other has the Spirit of God within and is subjecting oneself to God's Sovereign Lordship.
If you are ignoring God and attributing your good works to yourself, you are both assigning what is good and bad to your liking and walking in your righteousness as you define it, that is not doing God's works but your own.
Do you think because we know because God has given us an intrinsic knowledge of good and evil this means we are excused due to the good we do by obeying it? You also will be condemned for the bad you do as well, since not doing the good fully is falling short of the mark, no one will be justified by good works, even if we know that what God wants within us, there is the taint of sin, our hit and miss commitment, in how we love the Lord with all our hearts and other people.
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@ghost-of-a-duke saidWhen you look at humanity right now people were murdered in their homes, children killed right in front of their parents along with all types of atrocities being done due to racial and national hate. Do you disconnect this from all of humanity? These are the things people do, Australian protesters were shouting, "Gas the Jews" Do you disconnect this from all of humanity, do you think there are divisions within the human race that make some quite capable of this type of hate and another group of humans above that type of thing making them the good ones? It isn't that there is a fraction of us who are evil and a fraction of us who are good, we are quite capable of doing both good and evil, and during our lifetimes, we do both.
Does every non believer who gives water to the thirsty have some sinister motive for doing so? Do you really have such a low opinion of humanity? - If you were to lose your faith tomorrow would you suddenly start running around raping and pillaging? Do you have no moral compass whatsoever when it comes to your own humanity?