It seems that typical Church Christians do not have the Holy Spirit, despite their claims to have it. Its like church miracles and healing and casting out devils. Its all talk, a sham, fake .. fabricated. Its the hallmark of Church Christianity.
What Jesus sent his disciples to do:
.. Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you:..(Matthew 28:18-20 KJV)
Disciples are to teach people to observe the commandments
What the Holy Spirit will do:
But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you. (John 14:26 KJV)
The Holy Spirit will remind people what Jesus preached
Christians typically do not preach anything about the commandments and even make negative and derogatory statements about the keeping of the commandments referring to it as works salvation and legalistic, and condemning people who preach about the commandments. Its like what happens on this forum. I preach about keeping the commandments and not one single Christian ever supported these teachings. Christians never say anything about keeping the commandments of Christ.
Christ preached the keeping of the commandments
Paul preached that failure to keep the commandments leads to no inheritance in the Kingdom of God
Peter preached righteousness and good works is essential otherwise you will be damned
James preached faith without works is dead
John preached if you do not keep the commandments you do not know Christ neither love Christ.
What is wrong with Church Christians, and why are they preaching a different doctrine?
26 Nov 21
@rajk999 saidNo one is saying we don't have to obey God, except you. None are good but God, I agree, and because of that, only in the sacrificial life of Christ can we come to God for the forgiveness He gives us by putting our faith in Him, not our righteousness, not our ability to live up to perfection. What are you doing if you do not pick up your cross and follow Him, as Jesus also said? You would be walking in your flesh; without the Spirit of God, there are no other options; it is entirely true or false, you belong to God, or you don't. Picking up our crosses and following Him is dying to the sinful nature we all have; putting our faith in Him is taking Him at His Word, trusting in Him, not ourselves.
I keep telling you, none are worthy, none are good but God,
BUT ... You still have to keep the commandments.
Those are the words of Jesus Christ.
If you don't have the Spirit of God within you, you don't belong to God; it isn't about me, it doesn't matter if you believe God could accept one like myself; it is the Word of God that says these things. This is not a matter of your opinion or mine; what does the whole Bible teach, not just selecting some verses and ignoring others.
26 Nov 21
@kellyjay saidThe silence of all church Christians on the keeping of the commandments says it all.
No one is saying we don't have to obey God, except you. None are good but God, I agree, and because of that, only in the sacrificial life of Christ can we come to God for the forgiveness He gives us by putting our faith in Him, not our righteousness, not our ability to live up to perfection. What are you doing if you do not pick up your cross and follow Him, as Jesus also sa ...[text shortened]... pinion or mine; what does the whole Bible teach, not just selecting some verses and ignoring others.
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@rajk999 saidThat’s because man on his own can’t keep the commandments and never could. Man’s only chance at keeping the commandments on a reasonably consistent basis is through the power of God’s indwelt Holy Spirit, which man (and woman) receive when they accept and believe in Jesus Christ and in His Resurrection and the Holy Spirit changes their hearts.
The silence of all church Christians on the keeping of the commandments says it all.
God’s way is transformation from the inside out. It’s the only way that works - not self-effort and not willpower.
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@rajk999 saidI don’t discourage anyone from keeping the commandments. I do encourage people to “seek ye first the Kingdom of God” because that’s how they can keep the commandments.
Have you once taught what Jesus taught about keeping the commandments? No, you have not. Then that omission on your part makes you an evil Satan, which is worse than obnoxious.
You have no Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit teaches people what Jesus commanded and so far you have discouraged people from keeping the commandments.
Accepting and believing in Jesus Christ and in His Resurrection causes God’s Holy Spirit to indwell believers, and God’s Holy Spirit changes their hearts and makes them a new creation.
Man tried and failed to keep the commandments for thousands of years. Self-effort and willpower don’t work. God’s Holy Spirit does!
@pb1022 saidDo you know that Jesus Christ was a preacher , preached to many thousands and thousands and yet he never told them once, NOT ONE SOLITARY TIME, that they cannot keep the commandments...
That’s because man on his own can’t keep the commandments and never could. Man’s only chance at keeping the commandments on a reasonably consistent basis is through the power of God’s indwelt Holy Spirit, which man (and woman) receive when they accept and believe in Jesus Christ and in His Resurrection and the Holy Spirit changes their hearts.
God’s way is transformation from the inside out. It’s the only way that works - not self-effort and not willpower.
So keep your church doctrine... nobody is interested.
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@rajk999 saidI thought you believed only Jesus judges. Sounds to me like you do a lot of judging in this forum - and not accurate judging either.
I interact pretty well with the brothers and sisters of Christ, who Jesus described as those who keep his commandments. You are NOT one of them. You are here to sow the seeds of the Devil, which Jesus called the tares. These tares live among the good wheat and try to corrupt them with their false doctrines. Jesus said you will be rooted up and burned.
You don’t know anything about the people you’re condemning in here.
You seem to ignore what Jesus Christ accomplished on the cross and want to go back to the Old Testament. We are saved by Grace through faith. Christians have God’s Holy Spirit to live a Christ-honoring life.
You’re always talking about the commandments but you never say what they are. Jesus said the two greatest commandments were to love God with all your heart, mind, soul and strength and to love your neighbor as yourself. Do you do that? Can anyone do that?
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@rajk999 saidJesus also said to look on a woman with lust is to commit adultery in your heart.
Do you know that Jesus Christ was a preacher , preached to many thousands and thousands and yet he never told them once, NOT ONE SOLITARY TIME, that they cannot keep the commandments...
So keep your church doctrine... nobody is interested.
Do you love God with all your heart, soul, mind and strength? Do you love your neighbor as yourself?
@pb1022 saidIrrelevant nonsense. I have never asked you if you keep the commandments... nobody cares. What you do or what I do is not under discussion.... you are making that part of the discussion because you can't produce references to support your failed doctrine.
I thought you believed only Jesus judges. Sounds to me like you do a lot of judging in this forum - and not accurate judging either.
You don’t know anything about the people you’re condemning in here.
You seem to ignore what Jesus Christ accomplished on the cross and want to go back to the Old Testament. We are saved by Grace through faith. Christians have God’s Holy Spi ...[text shortened]... , mind, soul and strength and to love your neighbor as yourself. Do you do that? Can anyone do that?
A preacher or a disciple must preach what Jesus preached otherwise he is a fraud.
What you are preaching is contrary to Christ.
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@rajk999 saidYou said I was condemned to hell when you know nothing about me or my walk with the Lord. You seem extremely judgmental of people in this forum.
Irrelevant nonsense. I have never asked you if you keep the commandments... nobody cares. What you do or what I do is not under discussion.... you are making that part of the discussion because you can't produce references to support your failed doctrine.
A preacher or a disciple must preach what Jesus preached otherwise he is a fraud.
What you are preaching is contrary to Christ.
Was Jesus Christ judgmental and condemning of Christians? No, He embraced sinners. He healed sinners. He taught sinners and He loved sinners. Because transformation comes from Grace - not self-effort at Law keeping.
You seem to ignore what Jesus Christ accomplished on the cross and the power of God’s Holy Spirit in indwelling believers.
26 Nov 21
@pb1022 saidI do not need to know neither do I care what your walk with the Lord is.
You said I was condemned to hell when you know nothing about me or my walk with the Lord. You seem extremely judgmental of people in this forum.
Was Jesus Christ judgmental and condemning of Christians? No, He embraced sinners. He healed sinners. He taught sinners and He loved sinners. Because transformation comes from Grace - not self-effort at Law keeping.
You seem to ...[text shortened]... t Jesus Christ accomplished on the cross and the power of God’s Holy Spirit in indwelling believers.
What you preach is contrary to the teachings of Christ. You are a false preacher. You are misleading people. False teachers are condemned
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26 Nov 21
@rajk999 saidWhen Jesus Christ encountered the woman caught in the act of adultery in John 8, did he tell the Pharisees to stone her?
Irrelevant nonsense. I have never asked you if you keep the commandments... nobody cares. What you do or what I do is not under discussion.... you are making that part of the discussion because you can't produce references to support your failed doctrine.
A preacher or a disciple must preach what Jesus preached otherwise he is a fraud.
What you are preaching is contrary to Christ.
Or did he tell the woman that He did not condemn her and for her to go and sin no more. Notice the order - first the gift of no condemnation, then the command to go and sin no more. Grace - not Law keeping - gives people the power to overcome sin.
Would you have told the Pharisees to atone that woman? You seem obsessed with Law keeping through self-effort and condemning other people. Was Jesus like that? Was Jesus like that? No, the Pharisees were!
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@rajk999 saidMore judging and condemning.
I do not need to know neither do I care what your walk with the Lord is.
What you preach is contrary to the teachings of Christ. You are a false preacher. You are misleading people. False teachers are condemned
Read Matthew chapter 23 for what Jesus said about hypocritical condemners. You’re a hypocritical condemner because you’re not perfectly keeping the Law (because no one can!) and you’re condemning other people on here.
Judgment and condemnation of sinners was NOT what Jesus was about. He embraced sinners. He healed sinners. He loved sinners, and He died for sinners. And salvation is a gift, and it’s God’s Holy Spirit indwelling a believer that gives him the power to no longer be a slave to sin.
Man tried and failed for thousands of years to keep the Law, and the purpose of the Law was to show man his need for a Saviour - that’s straight out of Galatians.
26 Nov 21
@pb1022 saidJesus was judgemental with false prophets, false teachers and hypocrites. There were no Christians in the time of Christ.
You said I was condemned to hell when you know nothing about me or my walk with the Lord. You seem extremely judgmental of people in this forum.
Was Jesus Christ judgmental and condemning of Christians? No, He embraced sinners. He healed sinners. He taught sinners and He loved sinners. Because transformation comes from Grace - not self-effort at Law keeping.
You seem to ...[text shortened]... t Jesus Christ accomplished on the cross and the power of God’s Holy Spirit in indwelling believers.
26 Nov 21
@pb1022 saidAgain the issue is about the teachings of Christ and what YOU PREACH.
Jesus also said to look on a woman with lust is to commit adultery in your heart.
Do you love God with all your heart, soul, mind and strength? Do you love your neighbor as yourself?
What you do, What I do, What the President of the US does, is nobody's business here. We dont care
Got that?