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<<Jesus said the Holy Spirit reminds disciples of his commandments.
Jesus instructed disciples to go out and preach to people to keep the commandments.>>
The commandments to love God and love our neighbor? Do you preach that? Do you do that?
To bear one another’s burdens? (Galatians 6:2.) Do you preach that?
No, you just repeat ad infinitum “Jesus’ commandments” without ever identifying them and you don’t exhibit them in this forum.
And you don’t explain what you think Jesus accomplished on the cross and you don’t explain whether you think keeping Jesus’ commandments (which you don’t identify) means keeping them perfectly 100% of the time.
I’m getting bored with your shtick to drive people away from Christ and weaken Christians’ faith. You don’t have the love of Christ in you. You exhibit hate in here and you bear false witness against Christians.
<<Something is wrong with your claims of having the Holy Spirit.>>
I exhibit the fruit of the Holy Spirit because the Holy Spirit is within me. I don’t attack people, lie about people, condemn people to hell and misrepresent the Gospel. That’s what you do, and you’ll answer for it one day.
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@sonship saidI’m convinced he’s trying to drive people away from Christ and weaken Christians’ faith.
Rajk999,
I think PB1022 is saying you already lost the case because of your behavior.
If PB1022 is not saying that, I will.
Your attitude precedes you and loses the case before you say much else.
I would say you have left your first love. But I am not sure you ever had one.
His outrage seems fake and manufactured, his constant repetition of the same thing over and over, his refusal to answer legitimate doctrinal questions…
Maybe I’m wrong, but I don’t think he’s interested in promoting or even fairly representing the Gospel and Christianity. I think he’s interested in exactly the opposite and is very crafty in how he goes about it.
@pb1022 saidLets see who is chasing people away from Christ.
I’m convinced he’s trying to drive people away from Christ and weaken Christians’ faith.
Jesus says if you want eternal life, keep the commandments
Paul, Peter, James and John all said the same thing
I repeated what Jesus said, and I also quoted Paul and John.
I added nothing and changed nothing.
Repeating what Jesus Christ preached and commanded is what you called chasing people away from Christ.
You on the other hand stated the complete opposite .
You said nobody can keep the commandments
This is what churches do to discourage keeping the commandments
You are supported by all other Christians here --- sonship and KJ
You all claim to have the Holy Spirit
Nobody can produce any references where Jesus, Paul, James, John etc said that nobody can keep the commandments
The opposite is the case, as they all said to keep the commandments.
Soooo .... lies and false doctrines of your church, is bringing people to Christ.... You church Christians are really insane. Full of crookedness, hypocrisy and mouth worship.
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@rajk999 saidI said nobody can keep the commandments in the sense that nobody can keep them perfectly 100% of the time.
Lets see who is chasing people away from Christ.
Jesus says if you want eternal life, keep the commandments
Paul, Peter, James and John all said the same thing
I repeated what Jesus said, and I also quoted Paul and John.
I added nothing and changed nothing.
Repeating what Jesus Christ preached and commanded is what you called chasing people away from Christ.
You on ...[text shortened]... rist.... You church Christians are really insane. Full of crookedness, hypocrisy and mouth worship.
That’s why you had animal sacrifices in the Old Testament and why Jesus Christ died on the cross to bring in the New Covenant.
And Paul the Apostle said in Galatians that the purpose of the Law was not for man to keep it, but for man to realize he couldn’t keep it to God’s standard of perfection and needed a Saviour.
“Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.”
(Galatians 3:24-26)
And Jesus said if you want eternal life, believe on Him. That was the will of the Father who sent Him.
“And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.”
(John 6:40)
Your compassionless legalism, condemnation and hypocrisy (you don’t preach love God and love your neighbor nor do you exhibit them in this forum) are quite akin to the Pharisees.
Your approach in driving people away from Christ and weakening Christians’ faith is very interesting.
You just say “commandments” over and over again because you know people have a natural adverse reaction to that word. You never say what the commandments are because you want people to think they can’t keep them.
And then you preach condemnation for those who don’t keep these unspecified and unidentified commandments.
You’re very devious and crafty in how you go about it.
But the real tell is your refusal to answer legitimate doctrinal questions. That’s where your shtick gets revealed.
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@pb1022 saidIf he actually posted what He calls the gospel of Christ he would have to look at what it actually says in context to everything else, and he doesn't do that. Nothing specific, only vague mouthings on going against something he cannot show in context. Even when direct quotes are offered from Jesus that doesn't fit his narrative they are meaningless to him.
I said nobody can keep the commandments in the sense that nobody can keep them perfectly 100% of the time.
That’s why you had animal sacrifices in the Old Testament and why Jesus Christ died on the cross to bring in the New Covenant.
And Paul the Apostle said in Galatians that the purpose of the Law was not for man to keep it, but for man to realize he couldn’t keep it t ...[text shortened]... ll is your refusal to answer legitimate doctrinal questions. That’s where your shtick gets revealed.
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I’m convinced he’s trying to drive people away from Christ and weaken Christians’ faith.
The feeling does make one more independent from Christ.
I think it cools down one's life for Jesus not warms it up.
I think the result is a cooling off of affection one had for Jesus.
I think it engenders an self confidence that one is better than others who talk
about Jesus.
These are not good signs of a healthy teaching.
Even when adorned with words like obedience, commandments, obey - it seems
to cool down affection for the Lord and somehow nullify the attraction to Him.
" I'm out to win eternal life. I can make it, not like these pitiful disgusting Jesus people. I DO the gospel things. They just talk and use their mouths. "
The flavor has never changed much.
His outrage seems fake and manufactured, his constant repetition of the same thing over and over, his refusal to answer legitimate doctrinal questions…
It may sound manufactured because its a mechanism of avoidance somehow.
Maybe I’m wrong, but I don’t think he’s interested in promoting or even fairly representing the Gospel and Christianity. I think he’s interested in exactly the opposite and is very crafty in how he goes about it.
Some of the finer points I would be quite willing to discuss with someone as a third party. I can't think of what I have not addressed to Rajk99 f his major objections going back about eight to twelve years or so.
Major problems of his I devoted threads to.
I had one on Five Kinds of Forgiveness.
I have had more than one on how I would say he misunderstands Matthew 25:31-46 - the judgment of the sheep and goat Gentiles at the end of the great tribulation.
I've spoken to the Good Samaritan parable and the teaching of the rich young ruler.
I recall that I even talked about verses which speak of believers doing something UNTO eternal life as though eternal life was the outcome of a living. These are mostly valid points which need examination.
You can look back over the archived discussions for YEARS . . . . YEARS. No one can say I (for one) didn't try to art least present some need to more carefully consider his points. It only met with hostility.
I've been over warning passages in Hebrews, warning passages in Revelation, warning passages in First Corinthians.
I've discussed the difference between reward and gift.
I've discussed discipline of Christians after the second coming.
I've spoken to transformation, sanctification, conformation, cooperation, lack of cooperation, overcoming, and being defeated too.
I've spoken about degrees of reward and degrees of discipline in the millennial kingdom age. I don't presume to speak for all believers' opinions. I speak to what I have learned and think I can defend.
The strange thing is that there is a stock response to each and every attempt to reason with him. It goes like this - "YOU ARE ENCOURAGING CHRISTIANS TO LIVE SINFULLY."
I cannot tell how many threads on completely OTHER subjects he barged in to make SURE that the accusation was always presented. That is I am encouraging Christians to be sinful.
The strangest thing is that we have plenty of atheists, anti-theists, agnostic types come here. It seems rare that he gets the opposition from them that me and some other gospel presenters encounter. It seems like his "gospel" is okay with the unbelievers. He often boasts that atheists who do good things will enter into the kingdom of God before believing Christians.
There are a couple of areas that I have not gone into real depth of analysis. I'll be honest with you about that. That is because it is time and labor intensive and I know it will be met with instant vitriolic dismissal. That too is a mechanism of discouragement. The more patience one extends the stronger the refusal to listen.
So, only time will decide.
@sonship saidAre you really serious? Do you think that a man should abandon what Jesus said clearly about eternal life the Kingdom of God, and listen to you instead? Jesus said the wise man listens to Him, Anyone that listens to other teachings that run contrary to Christ is a fool.
The more patience one extends the stronger the refusal to listen.
The teachings of the Christian churches as I have demonstrated many times, run contrary to Christ. You people are not wise but are fools. Carry on with your false doctrines.
My aim here is to show people that youall preach false doctrines and that they should instead listen to the teachings and commandments of Christ, take the bible and read it for themselves rather than listen to anyone's interpretation. You in particular .. cannot write clearly but your posts show that your mind is a convoluted mess.
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Here is something we agree on. People should read the Bible for themselves.
On that you have no disagreement from me on.
@sonship saidYet you discourage that, because you quote and give one long voluminous explanation not allowing the words of Christ to speak for itself. I quote Christ and very rarely say anything to explain further unless something needs to be emphasized. Plus I quote exact book, chapter, verses and version. You do not always do that. You just write out a portion of the bible without saying where it is from. Encourage and allow people to read the bible.
@Rajk999
Here is something we agree on. People should read the Bible for themselves.
On that you have no disagreement from me on.
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You're delusional.
People should not only open their Bibles and read.
I devoted lots of time to encouraging some to read and pray over what they read.
You denounced it as useless mouthing.
Then again whatever I write you knee jerk fashion oppose.
Of course everyone should read the word of God.
Let the Spirit speak expressly to their heart and their personal situation.
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@sonship saidYou are not able to separate your church teaching from the bible teachings. Pray-reading is not part of any bible doctrine. Pray read all you like, but to claim it is scriptural is false, as are so many of your doctrines.
@Rajk999
You're delusional.
People should not only open their Bibles and read.
I devoted lots of time to encouraging some to read and pray over what they read.
You denounced it as useless mouthing.
Then again whatever I write you knee jerk fashion oppose.
Of course everyone should read the word of God.
Let the Spirit speak expressly to their heart and their personal situation.
The purpose of the bible is to do the following :
- Read
- Understand
- DO .. Follow .. Keep the commandments
Your pray- reading is a failure because it accomplishes nothing.
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@rajk999 saidYou’re not seriously suggesting that prayer accomplishes nothing, are you?
You are not able to separate your church teaching from the bible teachings. Pray-reading is not part of any bible doctrine. Pray read all you like, but to claim it is scriptural is false, as are so many of your doctrines.
The purpose of the bible is to do the following :
- Read
- Understand
- DO .. Follow .. Keep the commandments
Your pray- reading is a failure because it accomplishes nothing.
You’re not suggesting that it’s pointless to ask God to help one understand Scripture, are you?
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@pb1022 saidIt accomplishes nothing unless you are an English speaking person reading a Hebrew bible. If your bible is in English and Jesus says
You’re not seriously suggesting that prayer accomplishes nothing, are you?
You’re not suggesting that it’s pointless to ask God to help one understand Scripture, are you?
- feed the poor
- help the needy
- clothe the naked
.. God would just laugh at you if you need God to help you understand that.
The teachings of Jesus Christ are in plain simple language. Your pray reading is hypocritical nonsense that makes you look stupid. Jesus said to go and go good works. Its that simple.