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@rajk999 saidThe only people Jesus got angry with in the Gospels were the Jewish religious leaders, and He got angry with them because of their compassionless legalism and hypocrisy.
Liars and frauds like you make me angry. They made Jesus angry too. Paul as well. Are you surprised about that? Are you going to retract your false doctrines or are you just going to pretend that speaking lies about the teachings of the bible is ok?
That’s not me. That sounds an awful lot like you.
My only question at this point is whether you’re doing this intentionally or are sincerely misguided. I’m leaning toward the former because your hostility seems manufactured.
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It amazes me that you have no fear of what you say.
You write like a man who will not give an account to Christ one day.
To be able to say things like that so easily makes me wonder where is the fear of God concerning what your lips speak so easily.
Have you ever gone in prayer and ask God something like this? "Lord Jesus, have mercy on all my enemies." I am serious.
Personal stuff?
None of my business, I guess?
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You want me to listen to false teachers, and you expect me to respect admonishment from you dunces?
No. I expect you not to listen to anything and call names.
And I also expect you not to accurately represent what some people say.
Some of your questions to me, are attempts to put words into the mouths of people.
I also expect you to be so inconsistent that it boggles the mind.
In one moment Paul is the enemy it seems of the Gospel Jesus entrusted to him.
And in the next moment Paul and you agree.
I expect this baffling inconsistency.
One other thing I expect. I expect that enemies of the Gospel and atheists who come here will not give you a hundredth of the opposition they give to some others. They HEAR your opposing of Jesus behind a barrage of self righteousness and they agree with you imo.
They see you beating up on believers in the Lord Jesus and I think they intuitively assume YOU are on THEIR SIDE of unbelief as well.
The world hears you. And the world deems you are carrying on the same agenda to reject the gospel of receiving Jesus the risen Lord.
@pb1022 saidBecause I
The only people Jesus got angry with in the Gospels were the Jewish religious leaders, and He got angry with them because of their compassionless legalism and hypocrisy.
That’s not me. That sounds an awful lot like you.
My only question at this point is whether you’re doing this intentionally or are sincerely misguided. I’m leaning toward the former because your hostility seems manufactured.
pointed out your lie,
demonstrated that it is a lie,
called you out to prove your point,
showed where Jesus and the Apostles said the complete opposite,
and that makes me like the Pharisees???
You church Christians are all false teachers.
27 Nov 21
@sonship saidHear the man who has condemned the commandments of Christ ... you make me laugh. You got caught with your pants down lying that the bible says nobody can keep the commandments when there is no such statement.
@Rajk999
It amazes me that you have no fear of what you say.
You write like a man who will not give an account to Christ one day.
To be able to say things like that so easily makes me wonder where is the fear of God concerning what your lips speak so easily.
Have you ever gone in prayer and ask God something like this? "Lord Jesus, have mercy on all my enemies." I am serious.
Personal stuff?
None of my business, I guess?
Jesus said keep the commandments if you want eternal life.
You tell people, there is no need to keep the commandments and in fact you cannot keep the commandments
You should be worried about yourself. and what account you will give.
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@pb1022 said@rajk999
Are you referring to keeping the commandments to perfection? That’s the issue.
My contention is no one can keep all of the commandments to perfection. Can they keep some of them? Sure.
Can they keep all of them most of the time? Sure.
Can they keep all of them all of the time? No.
If you think they can, why did Jesus die on the cross? If man is capable of keeping a ...[text shortened]... u’re essentially saying man is sinless and that’s blasphemous because only Jesus Christ was sinless.
Were you planning to answer this?
27 Nov 21
@pb1022 saidOnce I prove that you are a liar and that your doctrine is false and contrary to the bible, I am done with discussing doctrinal matters with you, especially when so far you have refused to retract your false doctrine even after you were proven wrong. Jesus said have nothing to do with your type.
Because it invalidates your shtick?
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@rajk999 saidYou forgot to condemn me to hell.
Once I prove that you are a liar and that your doctrine is false and contrary to the bible, I am done with discussing doctrinal matters with you, especially when so far you have refused to retract your false doctrine even after you were proven wrong. Jesus said have nothing to do with your type.
27 Nov 21
@pb1022 saidYou have one foot in there already. Claiming to have the Holy Spirit and lying about these doctrines and fooling people is a grave sin.
You forgot to condemn me to hell.
But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction. ...(2 Peter 2:1-2 KJV)
For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning. For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them. (2 Peter 2:20-21 KJV)
Get away with your lies and false doctrines.
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@rajk999 saidI do have the Holy Spirit. Every Christian does. Do you?
You have one foot in there already. Claiming to have the Holy Spirit and lying about these doctrines and fooling people is a grave sin.
But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction. ... ...[text shortened]... dment delivered unto them. (2 Peter 2:20-21 KJV)
Get away with your lies and false doctrines.
Do you exhibit the fruit of the Spirit?
“But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.”
(Galatians 5:22-23)
27 Nov 21
@pb1022 saidYour boast of having the Holy Spirit is an empty boast because your teachings are not supported by Jesus Christ and the Apostles. Paul warned Christians and you are ignoring these warnings. Here is another warning from Paul
I do have the Holy Spirit. Every Christian does. Do you?
Do you exhibit the fruit of the Spirit?
“But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.”
(Galatians 5:22-23)
For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame. (Hebrews 6:4-6 KJV)
Jesus said the Holy Spirit reminds disciples of his commandments.
Jesus instructed disciples to go out and preach to people to keep the commandments.
Something is wrong with your claims of having the Holy Spirit.
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I only got "caught" advising a Christian that it was fruitless to argue about verses with you.
I have no problem in seeing that there are places where Jesus speaks of men doing the commandments even of MOSES.
I have no problem is seeing the apparent ground you think you have for your teaching.
I only got "caught" warning PB1022 from experience, that showing you what the New Testament has written in it is useless.
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Rajk999,
I think PB1022 is saying you already lost the case because of your behavior.
If PB1022 is not saying that, I will.
Your attitude precedes you and loses the case before you say much else.
I would say you have left your first love. But I am not sure you ever had one.