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Originally posted by dj2becker
So you would rather have your kids exposed to drugs alcohol and sex from a young age?

What makes you say this?

Originally posted by dj2becker
As an adult I kind of feel thankful that I was protected from all those things.

You are "thankful" for what the cult did for you?

Originally posted by FMF
Did you get your qualification from a diploma mill?

How on earth could you qualify as a teacher and be licensed as one - without studying the psychology of education, child development and ethics alongside your 'subject' matter and curriculum studies?

It is not a diploma mill, I studied philosophy of education as well as child development yes. Cults were not part of the curriculum no.

Originally posted by dj2becker
It is not a diploma mill, I studied philosophy of education as well as child development yes. Cults were not part of the curriculum no.

You claim to have studied "child development" and you don't acknowledge the regime you described as one of psychological abuse?

Originally posted by FMF
What makes you say this?

I grew up in a protected environment, I was never exposed to premarital sex, drugs or alcohol as a teenager and I was taught that it was wrong. To some degree I still believe most of it but I think drinking in moderation as in a glass of wine or one beer is ok. I had my first beer when I was 25.

Originally posted by FMF
You claim to have studied "child development" and you don't acknowledge the regime you described as one of psychological abuse?

No that's not true I agree that many people who did not follow the rules did experience psychological abuse, I am saying that I personally don't think that I was psychologically abused. I still agree with some of the stuff they teach apart from ostracising your kids and the legalism.

Originally posted by dj2becker
No that's not true I agree that many people who did not follow the rules did experience psychological abuse, I am saying that I personally don't think that I was psychologically abused.

The threats held over you and the deprivation were the psychological abuse. It has nothing to do with whether you followed the rules or whether others were punished. The threat held over a child of being shunned or treated like a leper is psychological abuse. If an underage girl personally thought it was OK to be made to have sex with her father, would it be acceptable to say that she wasn't sexually abused?

Originally posted by dj2becker
So you would rather have your kids exposed to drugs alcohol and sex from a young age? As an adult I kind of feel thankful that I was protected from all those things.

Bump. You have not answered this question. Do you think 'brainwashing your kids' to believe that premarital sex, drugs and alcohol is wrong amounts to psychological abuse?

Originally posted by dj2becker
I still agree with some of the stuff they teach apart from ostracising your kids and the legalism.

Why? What do you think is wrong with ostracizing kids, or more to the point, threatening to ostracize your kids?

Originally posted by dj2becker
Do you think 'brainwashing your kids' to believe that premarital sex, drugs and alcohol is wrong amounts to psychological abuse?

Brainwashing children is psychological abuse, yes. Children can be raised and socialized and can develop healthily without brainwashing and without the cruelty of making what they see as being existential threats. But then again, you claim to have absolutely no personal memory of a normal healthy childhood, right?

dj2becker: So you would rather have your kids exposed to drugs alcohol and sex from a young age?

Originally posted by dj2becker
Bump. You have not answered this question.

It's a laughable false dilemma.

Originally posted by FMF
The threats held over you and the deprivation were the psychological abuse. It has nothing to do with whether you followed the rules or whether others were punished. The threat held over a child of being shunned or treated like a leper is psychological abuse. If an underage girl personally thought it was OK to be made to have sex with her father, would it be acceptable to say that she wasn't sexually abused?

I see why you would think that, but this discussion is about my perception and whether or not what I experienced felt like psychological abuse to me. You are a teacher right? You have rules in your classroom as well as punishments for those who don't abide by those rules. Do you think that a student in your class who abides by all your rules experiences psychological abuse?

Originally posted by FMF
Brainwashing children is psychological abuse, yes. Children can be raised and socialized and can develop healthily without brainwashing and without the cruelty of making what they see as being existential threats. But then again, you claim to have absolutely no personal memory of a normal healthy childhood, right?

If you believed that the use of drugs and alcohol was wrong, would you be brainwashing your kids if you told them that?

Originally posted by dj2becker
You have rules in your classroom as well as punishments for those who don't abide by those rules. Do you think that a student in your class who abides by all your rules experiences psychological abuse?

What threats? What punishments? What rules? Give me examples. We are discussing what you described about the abuse you suffered. I don't see the parallel with my undergraduates ~ whom I treat as adults. What existential-level threats do you think I hold over them? And what testimonies do you imagine my ex-students would be making about my 'rules and punishments' if there were a web site dedicated to their memory of being under my care and mentorship?

Originally posted by FMF
Brainwashing children is psychological abuse, yes. Children can be raised and socialized and can develop healthily without brainwashing and without the cruelty of making what they see as being existential threats. But then again, you claim to have absolutely no personal memory of a normal healthy childhood, right?

So what qualifies as 'brainwashing' in your opinion? Would you classify teaching your children what you believe to be good morals as 'brainwashing'?